Did this man change the course of history?

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Let's see how clued up you lot are, do you know who he was and what he did?

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Eh no, it's the guy that saved the four year old Adolf Hitler from drowning and changed history in the process. This is Mendel!



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Crisis-capitalism can always find a bully-boy. They'd just have found another racist crook - the world is full of them.
 
Havana Moon said:
Eh no, it's the guy that saved the four year old Adolf Hitler from drowning and changed history in the process. This is Mendel!



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One simple "logical question".......how can a history that never existed be changed? When you begin with -0- you end with -0-. There is an old axiom that applies to this hypothetical (an event that only exists in the mind). Yesterday is History and can't be relived, tomorrow is the future and does not yet exist in reality.....the only linear that we can be assured of existing is today and that reality should be cherished and embraced as its a gift from the universe. Control is but an illusion we all live and exist due to the grace of that which is nature.....and today is a product of that grace and should be accepted as would any gift, with appreciation, THAT'S WHY ITS CALLED THE "PRESENT".

Each of us is the director of our own fate due to the free will decisions/judgments we make, once made and applied there are no mulligans.

The logical conclusion: The reason that no one placed any importance to this event is because its a moot (only argued for practice or play) hypothetical and can't be changed, only accepted. Another way of addressing this hypothetical is with another: What is the sound of one hand clapping?
 
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One simple "logical question".......how can a history that never existed be changed? When you begin with -0- you end with -0-. There is an old axiom that applies to this hypothetical (and event that only exists in the mind). Yesterday is History and can't be relived, tomorrow is the future and does not yet exist in reality.....the only linear that we can be assured of existing is today and that reality should be cherished and embraced as its a gift from the universe. Control is but an illusion we all live and exist due to the grace of that which is nature.....and today is a product of that grace and should be accept as would any gift, THAT'S WHY ITS CALLED THE "PRESENT".
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I bet you're a real hit at parties.

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Studying the sound of one hand clapping can. we are told, take one to an important and life-changing awareness. Be that as it may, alternative histories have always seemed to me the ultimate in tedium.
 
iolo said:
Studying the sound of one hand clapping can. we are told, take one to an important and life-changing awareness. Be that as it may, alternative histories have always seemed to me the ultimate in tedium.
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Just imagine you'd been born English and not subject to the cynicism and xenophobia so rife in Wales.

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I bet you're a real hit at parties.

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My "PAP"...grandfather, being native American taught me things that peaceful and happy individuals should never be concerned about. Translation.....why worry or study about things that one cannot possibly alter. Much like another old axiom that is common to those with an addictive personality trait, those who easily become disassociated with reality by using something as a crutch to deal with life's decisions and results.

Who really knows its origins but is became popular with those who attended AA in its longer pontificated version. Today that axiom is better known as the serenity prayer, and begins (and ends as far as I am concerned) as such, "Grant me the grace to accept the things that can't be changed, the courage to change the things that I "feel" must be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Wisdom as taught by PAP: Making mistakes and learning not to repeat those mistakes....its natures learning curve. Wisdom can't be taught through education it must be lived. As pap used to say, "The only people that don't make mistakes are those people who don't do anything, the lazy and listless....avoid these type of people."

That's the reason that I personally know several individuals with PhDs in their title that have no common sense whatsoever. Why? They have spent their entire lives seeking degrees in academia while never applying such to real life. As pap used to say, "Those who can....do, those that can't become teachers". The strange thing? Pap was a certified TEACHER....who preferred to be called a "farmer" by profession. :rolleyes:

In the end? Mr. Hitler was responsible for own actions, as we're are all endowed at birth with FREE WILL.....the person that supposedly saved his life is not responsible for anything other than making a humanitarian decision/judgement that 100% of the people SHOULD HAVE MADE in the same situation. Evil does not thrive nor depend upon the existence of one individual soul....evil depends upon people making the wrong life decisions, evil is a part of the human condition....ying cannot exist void of yang as a standard must be set to calibrate morality as defined by society at large.

Evil societies make evil laws and more's.....righteous societies make moral laws. All law is nothing but a reflection of any societies moral traits. The power of law remains in the hands of those who freely choose to obey those laws....not the criminals who live by choice outside such law.
 
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My "PAP"...grandfather, being native American taught me things that peaceful and happy individuals should never be concerned about. Translation.....why worry or study about things that one cannot possibly alter. Much like another old axiom that is common to those with an addictive personality trait, those who easily become disassociated with reality by using something as a crutch to deal with life's decisions and results.

Who really knows its origins but is became popular with those who attended AA in its longer pontificated version. Today that axiom is better known as the serenity prayer, and begins (and ends as far as I am concerned) as such, "Grant me the grace to accept the things that can't be changed, the courage to change the things that I "feel" must be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Wisdom as taught by PAP: Making mistakes and learning not to repeat those mistakes....its natures learning curve. Wisdom can't be taught through education it must be lived. As pap used to say, "The only people that don't make mistakes are those people who don't do anything, the lazy and listless....avoid these type of people."

That's the reason that I personally know several individuals with PhDs in their title that have no common sense whatsoever. Why? They have spent their entire lives seeking degrees in academia while never applying such to real life. As pap used to say, "Those who can....do, those that can't become teachers". The strange thing? Pap was a certified TEACHER....who preferred to be called a "farmer" by profession. :rolleyes:

In the end? Mr. Hitler was responsible for own actions, as we're are all endowed at birth with FREE WILL.....the person that supposedly saved his life is not responsible for anything other than making a humanitarian decision/judgement that 100% of the people SHOULD HAVE MADE in the same situation. Evil does not thrive nor depend upon the existence of one individual soul....evil depends upon people making the wrong life decisions, evil is a part of the human condition....ying cannot exist void of yang as a standard must be set to calibrate morality as defined by society at large.

Evil societies make evil laws and more's.....righteous societies make moral laws. All law is nothing but a reflection of any societies moral traits. The power of law remains in the hands of those who freely choose to obey those laws....not the criminals who live by choice outside such law.
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Speak up, I can't hear you!!
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Havana Moon said:
Speak up, I can't hear you!!
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Right....that's why you did not post a retort. What? Did you change history by "pretending" you can't hear me? I deal in reality and make decisions/judgments based upon that comprehended reality that surrounds all of us. But...fantasy can be enjoyable when you are a child. That's the difference between a conservative/realist and someone that professes to be a deep thinker that lives in their imagination and then wonders why the world is so cruel. We are all islands unto ourselves but communication is essential and the only thing that make us all equal is to deal in truth....not BS.
 
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