Divided FCC adopts rules to protect Web traffic

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Divided FCC adopts rules to protect Web traffic

Communications Commission has approved new rules meant to prohibit broadband companies from interfering with Internet traffic flowing to their customers.
The 3-2 vote Tuesday marks a major victory for FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, who has spent more than a year trying to craft a compromise.

The FCC's three Democrats voted to pass the rules, while the two Republicans opposed them, calling them unnecessary regulation. The new rules are likely to face intense scrutiny on Capitol Hill once Republicans take over the House. Meanwhile, public interest groups decried the regulations as too weak, particularly for wireless systems.

Known as "net neutrality," the rules prohibit phone and cable companies from favoring or discriminating against Internet content and services, such as those from rivals.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2010-12-21-net-neutrality_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

i think this is a good idea...i don't understand what the pubs are talking about...apparently not allowing cable companies to discriminate content is "unnecessary regulation" but not allowing homosexuals to marry is "necessary regulation"

:rolleyes:
 
yep...i don't see why anyone would be opposed to it...

i haven't yet seen a good argument against it

Mojo the radical is opposed to it because it's government regulation. And he's an anarchist. He doesn't even believe in traffic laws.
 
Following are key excerpts from the Report and Order adopted by the Commission to preserve the open Internet:
Rule 1: Transparency

A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service shall publicly disclose accurate information regarding the network management practices, performance, and commercial terms of its broadband Internet access services sufficient for consumers to make informed choices regarding use of such services and for content, application, service, and device providers to develop, market, and maintain Internet offerings.

Rule 2: No Blocking

A person engaged in the provision of fixed broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices, subject to reasonable network management.

A person engaged in the provision of mobile broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block consumers from accessing lawful websites, subject to reasonable network management; nor shall such person block applications that compete with the provider’s voice or video telephony services, subject to reasonable network

Rule 3: No Unreasonable Discrimination

A person engaged in the provision of fixed broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not unreasonably discriminate in transmitting lawful network traffic over a consumer’s broadband Internet access service. Reasonable network management shall not constitute unreasonable discrimination.

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Broadband Internet access service: A mass-market retail service by wire or radio that provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all Internet endpoints, including any capabilities that are incidental to and enable the operation of the communications service, but excluding dial-up Internet access service. This term also encompasses any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of the service described in the previous sentence, or that is used to evade the protections set forth in this Part.

Reasonable network management. A network management practice is reasonable if it is appropriate and tailored to achieving a legitimate network management purpose, taking into account the particular network architecture and technology of the broadband Internet access service. Legitimate network management purposes include: ensuring network security and integrity, including by addressing traffic that is harmful to the network; addressing traffic that is unwanted by users (including by premise operators), such as by providing services or capabilities consistent with a user’s choices regarding parental controls or security capabilities; and by reducing or mitigating the effects of congestion on the network.

Pay for Priority Unlikely to Satisfy “No Unreasonable Discrimination” Rule

A commercial arrangement between a broadband provider and a third party to directly or indirectly favor some traffic over other traffic in the connection to a subscriber of the broadband provider (i.e., “pay for priority”) would raise significant cause for concern. First, pay for priority would represent a significant departure from historical and current practice. Since the beginning of the Internet, Internet access providers have typically not charged particular content or application providers fees to reach the providers’ consumer retail service subscribers or struck pay-for-priority deals, and the record does not contain evidence that U.S. broadband providers currently engage in such arrangements. Second this departure from longstanding norms could cause great harm to innovation and investment in and on the Internet. As discussed above, pay-for-priority arrangements could raise barriers to entry on the Internet by requiring fees from edge providers, as well as transaction costs arising from the need to reach agreements with one or more broadband providers to access a critical mass of potential users. Fees imposed on edge providers may be excessive because few edge providers have the ability to bargain for lesser fees, and because no broadband provider internalizes the full costs of reduced innovation and the exit of edge providers from the market. Third, pay-for-priority arrangements may particularly harm non-commercial end users, including individual bloggers, libraries, schools, advocacy organizations, and other speakers, especially those who communicate through video or other content sensitive to network congestion. Even open Internet skeptics acknowledge that pay for priority may disadvantage non-commercial uses of the network, which are typically less able to pay for priority, and for which the Internet is a uniquely important platform. Fourth, broadband providers that sought to offer pay-for-priority services would have an incentive to limit the quality of service provided to non-prioritized traffic. In light of each of these concerns, as a general matter, it is unlikely that pay for priority would satisfy the “no unreasonable discrimination” standard. The practice of a broadband Internet access service provider prioritizing its own content, applications, or services, or those of its affiliates, would raise the same significant concerns and would be subject to the same standards and considerations in evaluating reasonableness as third-party pay-for-priority arrangements.

Measured Steps for Mobile Broadband

Mobile broadband presents special considerations that suggest differences in how and when open Internet protections should apply. Mobile broadband is an earlier-stage platform than fixed broadband, and it is rapidly evolving. For most of the history of the Internet, access has been predominantly through fixed platforms -- first dial-up, then cable modem and DSL services. As of a few years ago, most consumers used their mobile phones primarily to make phone calls and send text messages, and most mobile providers offered Internet access only via “walled gardens” or stripped down websites. Today, however, mobile broadband is an important Internet access platform that is helping drive broadband adoption, and data usage is growing rapidly. The mobile ecosystem is experiencing very rapid innovation and change, including an expanding array of smartphones, aircard modems, and other devices that allow mobile broadband providers to enable Internet access; the emergence and rapid growth of dedicated-purpose mobile devices like e-readers; the development of mobile application (“app”) stores and hundreds of thousands of mobile apps; and the evolution of new business models for mobile broadband providers, including usage-based pricing.

Moreover, most consumers have more choices for mobile broadband than for fixed broadband. Mobile broadband speeds, capacity, and penetration are typically much lower than for fixed broadband, though some providers have begun offering 4G service that will enable offerings with higher speeds and capacity and lower latency than previous generations of mobile service. In addition, existing mobile networks present operational constraints that fixed broadband networks do not typically encounter. This puts greater pressure on the concept of “reasonable network management” for mobile providers, and creates additional challenges in applying a broader set of rules to mobile at this time. Further, we recognize that there have been meaningful recent moves toward openness, including the introduction of open operating systems like Android. In addition, we anticipate soon seeing the effects on the market of the openness conditions we imposed on mobile providers that operate on upper 700 MHz C-Block spectrum, which includes Verizon Wireless, one of the largest mobile wireless carriers in the U.S.

In light of these considerations, we conclude it is appropriate to take measured steps at this time to protect the openness of the Internet when accessed through mobile broadband

Specialized Services

In the Open Internet NPRM, the Commission recognized that broadband providers offer services that share capacity with broadband Internet access service over providers’ last-mile facilities, and may develop and offer other such services in the future. These “specialized services,” such as some broadband providers’ existing facilities-based VoIP and Internet Protocol-video offerings, differ from broadband Internet access service and may drive additional private investment in broadband networks and provide consumers valued services, supplementing the benefits of the open Internet. At the same time, specialized services may raise concerns regarding bypassing open Internet protections, supplanting the open Internet, and enabling anticompetitive conduct. We note also that our rules define broadband Internet access service to encompass “any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of [broadband Internet access service], or that is used to evade the protections set forth in these rules.”

We will closely monitor the robustness and affordability of broadband Internet access services, with a particular focus on any signs that specialized services are in any way retarding the growth of or constricting capacity available for broadband Internet access service. We fully expect that broadband providers will increase capacity offered for broadband Internet access service if they expand network capacity to accommodate specialized services. We would be concerned if capacity for broadband Internet access service did not keep pace. We also expect broadband providers to disclose information about specialized services’ impact, if any, on last-mile capacity available for, and the performance of, broadband Internet access service. We may consider additional disclosure requirements in this area in our related proceeding regarding consumer transparency and disclosure. We would also be concerned by any marketing, advertising, or other messaging by broadband providers suggesting that one or more specialized services, taken alone or together, and not provided in accordance with our open Internet rules, is “Internet” service or a substitute for broadband Internet access service. Finally, we will monitor the potential for anticompetitive or otherwise harmful effects from specialized services, including from any arrangements a broadband provider may seek to enter into with third parties to offer such services. The Open Internet Advisory Committee will aid us in monitoring these issues.

Action by the Commission December 21, 2010, by Report and Order (FCC 10-201). Chairman Genachowski approving, Commissioner Clyburn approving in part and concurring in part; Commissioner Copps concurring, Commissioners’ McDowell and Baker dissenting. Separate statements issued by Chairman Genachowski, Commissioners’ Copps, McDowell, Clyburn, and Baker.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/index.htm?job=rules_and_regulations

for those that oppose this....what sections above do you not agree with?
 
come on mojo...you said you couldn't fully comment until you saw what was in the order, well, there are the pertinent parts....so tell us...what parts do you have problems with?
 
could a major company set up it's own infrastructure so that, for example, Amazon could route it's own traffic from a series of statewide links to the internet, then travel on it's own in-house lines to a distinct hub?.....that would permit the bulk of it's work to be done at speeds it controls and not travel on the internet once it leaves the state wide connections.....
 
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could a major company set up it's own infrastructure so that, for example, Amazon could route it's own traffic from a series of statewide links to the internet, then travel on it's own in-house lines to a distinct hub?.....that would permit the bulk of it's work to be done at speeds it controls and not travel on the internet once it leaves the state wide connections.....

from what i've read the order applies only to ISP's, not companies like amazon

the internet should remain open, this is not like the fairness doctrine that required both POV's to be presented, rather, simply allowing you and i to choose what we click on

from what i posted above on the order, what specifically do you have a problem with?
 
from what i posted above on the order, what specifically do you have a problem with?

I'm not familiar with the proposals to say.....is that 100% of what the commission has come up with?......if it is, the only thing I see that makes me nervous is "We will closely monitor".....it always seem to lead to something more.....by the way, the link you provided is a 95 page document setting forth the existence of the FCC.....nothing to do with what the thread is talking about.....
 
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I'm not familiar with the proposals to say.....is that 100% of what the commission has come up with?......if it is, the only thing I see that makes me nervous is "We will closely monitor".....it always seem to lead to something more.....by the way, the link you provided is a 95 page document setting forth the existence of the FCC.....nothing to do with what the thread is talking about.....

it is not 100%, it is key excerpts, the full order comes out right after new year i believe...i don't know why the link is different now, i cut and pasted directly from their site

i think the government already closely monitors the internet and this order does not change that. i don't like it, then again, we don't really have much expectation of privacy on the internet...due to hackers, your isp can trace you, google can trace you and i believe there is a new program that does a trace back, IOW, if you go to a site, it can trace back sites you've already visited in order to see your interests for shopping etc...

my understanding is that it primarily isp's can't block lawful content, can't unreasonably discriminate against lawful content and the process be transparent...from what i've read so far, i don't see a problem with this
 
i believe there is a new program that does a trace back, IOW, if you go to a site, it can trace back sites you've already visited in order to see your interests for shopping etc...this

I believe I know what you're talking about and I comment on it. It's not a new technology at all, and it's not a program - it's a cookie, and it's not "new", it's a very old technology. A cookie is just a little short text file that your browser downloads from the site that tells the server that sent it that you've visited the site already. This is obviously necessary for a lot of things - damo's server obviously needs to send your browser a cookie when you log on so that you stay logged on as you move about the site.

However, marketers learned how to utilize this a long time ago. They form networks with each other, spreading cookies and telling each about all of the sites that you've visited. They then use this information to target advertising to you, and build up a large amount of information about your browsing habits. It's a necessary technology that's unfortunately easy to abuse.
 
I believe I know what you're talking about and I comment on it. It's not a new technology at all, and it's not a program - it's a cookie, and it's not "new", it's a very old technology. A cookie is just a little short text file that your browser downloads from the site that tells the server that sent it that you've visited the site already. This is obviously necessary for a lot of things - damo's server obviously needs to send your browser a cookie when you log on so that you stay logged on as you move about the site.

However, marketers learned how to utilize this a long time ago. They form networks with each other, spreading cookies and telling each about all of the sites that you've visited. They then use this information to target advertising to you, and build up a large amount of information about your browsing habits. It's a necessary technology that's unfortunately easy to abuse.

As Homer Simpson might say, hmmm...cookies.
 
I believe I know what you're talking about and I comment on it. It's not a new technology at all, and it's not a program - it's a cookie, and it's not "new", it's a very old technology. A cookie is just a little short text file that your browser downloads from the site that tells the server that sent it that you've visited the site already. This is obviously necessary for a lot of things - damo's server obviously needs to send your browser a cookie when you log on so that you stay logged on as you move about the site.

However, marketers learned how to utilize this a long time ago. They form networks with each other, spreading cookies and telling each about all of the sites that you've visited. They then use this information to target advertising to you, and build up a large amount of information about your browsing habits. It's a necessary technology that's unfortunately easy to abuse.

maybe, but i just read about a few days ago and they were talking about it as if it was a new problem, in fact, one site was using it and didn't realize it
 
I use Firefox set to accept most everything to visit the boards I use frequently......I use Opera set to accept nothing to surf places I have never been before......
 
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