APP - does the us military have more commisioned and non-commisioned officers than it needs

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the included article talks about reducing pay raises for us military personnel, but does not address the excess of commissioned and non-commissioned officers per lower ranked personnel or the problems that reducing pay raises will create in keeping necessary military personnel (specialists) or the need to cut unnecessary projects that various congress critters want to keep because they provide employment in their districts/states.

the military industrial complex has learned to spread out contracts and sub-contracts (and military posts and research centers) for various projects to key congressional districts.

the bulk of new government offices have been built on the east coast from lower new york state to virgina (the prime employer is homeland security)

please notice in all of the articles published by the pentagon regarding budget cuts, there is no mention of the number of generals and admirals that would have to be cut or the number and names of projects that would have to be cut/cancelled

oh well

RAMSTEIN AIR FORCE BASE, Germany (Reuters) - The Pentagon will have to cut the size of U.S. military forces for the second time in as many years if across-the-board spending reductions of $470 billion over 10 years take effect March 1, the top U.S. military officer said on Saturday.

General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said about a third of the cuts would have to come from forces, with the remaining two-thirds taken from spending on modernization, compensation and readiness.
He noted that the Army had begun to shrink last year toward 490,000 from a high of 570,000, a result of efforts to trim $487 billion over 10 years as required by the Budget Control Act of 2011.
The Budget Control Act also envisioned the additional across-the-board cuts under a process known as sequestration. If those cuts go into effect, "the Army will have to come down again," Dempsey said.
Speaking to reporters traveling with him to Afghanistan, Dempsey said two recent high-profile examples of belt-tightening were attempts by the Pentagon to adapt to the current challenging budget climate and had nothing to do with sequestration.
The Pentagon said last week it would seek a smaller-than-expected pay increase of 1 percent for military personnel in the 2014 fiscal year budget. Pay increases have generally been pegged to an employment cost index and had been expected to rise 1.7 percent.
"That action is being taken to help us absorb the $487 billion in the Budget Control Act. It has nothing to do with sequestration," Dempsey said.

A defense official said the lower pay increase would save the department about $470 million during the 2014 fiscal year. The savings would amount to $3 billion over five years because future increases would be based on the lower 2014 raise.
Dempsey said the decision this week to delay deployment of the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier strike group to the Middle East was to adjust to funding for the 2013 fiscal year.
Congress has not appropriated funds for the Pentagon for 2013. Instead, it passed a continuing resolution that temporarily extends Pentagon funding until late March at 2012 levels.
"The continuing resolution under which we're operating has more money in the investment account and less money in operations and maintenance and we don't have transfer authority to move it," Dempsey said. "So our operations and maintenance is deteriorating because of the misalignment of funding in the continuing resolution."
Dempsey is due to testify on the impact of sequestration at a hearing next week before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"What we've got to make clear to the Congress next week (is) that it's not just about sequestration. We're trying to absorb the $487 billion Budget Control Act, we're trying to absorb the challenges that were imposed on us by the continuing resolution and we're anticipating absorbing sequestration," Dempsey said.

(Editing by Doina Chiacu)





http://news.yahoo.com/tight-budget-may-force-pentagon-cut-forces-general-145019424.html
 
In the Air Force, you can't make NCO rank within a standard four-year enlistment period. If you enlist for six years, then you can make Staff Sgt. about 1-1.5 years before you get out. If specialists are what you want, then you want career-minded NCO's of Staff, Tech, and Master Sgt. ranks. They are the well-oiled machine that makes the AF get the job done (along with the company grade officers who pilot aircraft, of course). That's pretty much the reason why we're the only branch of service without warrant officers, who would normally be the technical experts and specialists - that role has long been filled by NCOs, and so the AF got rid of warrant officers.
 
In the Air Force, you can't make NCO rank within a standard four-year enlistment period. If you enlist for six years, then you can make Staff Sgt. about 1-1.5 years before you get out. If specialists are what you want, then you want career-minded NCO's of Staff, Tech, and Master Sgt. ranks. They are the well-oiled machine that makes the AF get the job done (along with the company grade officers who pilot aircraft, of course). That's pretty much the reason why we're the only branch of service without warrant officers, who would normally be the technical experts and specialists - that role has long been filled by NCOs, and so the AF got rid of warrant officers.

i was aware of this many years ago. i spent over 25 years working as an aerospace software engineer. the first project that i worked on was as the software site activation engineer for a norad control center. subsequent to that i worked on many af projects including 5 years on the b1.

the air force did not always do well and needed stupid damn civilians to help them. sometimes my job was to train 'blue suits' how the software i wrote and installed worked.

as for the ncos and company grade officers i worked with some were good to ok and some not so good

however, the af still has a need for field grade officers and general officers (i have worked on contracts for each branch of the military, including with generals and admirals)

the amount of waste and stupidity i witnessed was incredible

since i have been retired for several years, i am no longer up to date on how things are being done, but i doubt that things have changed that much

if congress and the pentagon would stop interfering with decent projects, the military would be much better off

as for 'career-minded' ncos and officers, some put in their 20 years and go to work for industry or wait until their enlistment is over and go to work for industry

fyi, i also worked on loran and gps

another example of af stupidity is their use of 'stealth' technology and their promotion of the b-2 over the b-1b, the b-1b can carry far more conventional bombs than the b-2, but all the af talks about is the b-2 and how good it is (i will not talk about how easy it is to detect 'stealth' aircraft, but stealth technology needs to continuously improve or it becomes rather worthless)

also, as usual, our military is fighting using the strategy and tactic of old wars rather than responding to new war tactics and strategy

our military is acting as if we will go to war with either china or russia when neither is likely to happen

then there is our tank corp, we currently have 2400 m1a1 abrams tanks, yet the military wants to buy another 200 that we do not need at a price of $3 billion as a jobs program...just who are we going to fight with tanks these days?

between special forces, drones equipped with missiles and smart bombs and cruise missiles to fight terrorists, who do you see us fighting a conventional war with

oh we may need to drop several 'bunker buster' bombs on iran and/or maybe north korea, but once more, who else are we going to fight a conventional war with

oh well

ps while we are worrying about iran and israel, what about china and japan and the south china sea at odds over resources they both need
 
Yeah, it still works the same. In the world of NORAD, it is not the Penatagon that screws everything up, but the major command Air Combat Command (ACC) which the Continental NORAD and Alaska NORAD regions fall under. Every bad command that I have had to deal with since joining a NORAD air defense sector was issued by ACC. There have been a lot of them.

I'm not very knowledgeable about the stealth bomber program, but upgrades are always going on with our aircraft, of course.

We basically plan for both conventional and unconventional warfare every day. 9/11 changed NORAD's mission and woke it up from a 10 year nap. It was still in a highly reactive and transformative state when I joined up.

I have personally felt that the East is in for a real mess when China, Russia, and Japan all start fighting over resources and military dominance over the region. The Asian countries still have resentment of Japan's treatment of them back in WWII, and would get revenge if they could. It is a powder keg unmatched by any level of crisis that can occur in the Middle East at this time. Certainly, if Iran gets nukes, and the situation in Pakistan continues to deteriorate, that could change.
 
Yeah, it still works the same. In the world of NORAD, it is not the Penatagon that screws everything up, but the major command Air Combat Command (ACC) which the Continental NORAD and Alaska NORAD regions fall under. Every bad command that I have had to deal with since joining a NORAD air defense sector was issued by ACC. There have been a lot of them.

I'm not very knowledgeable about the stealth bomber program, but upgrades are always going on with our aircraft, of course.

We basically plan for both conventional and unconventional warfare every day. 9/11 changed NORAD's mission and woke it up from a 10 year nap. It was still in a highly reactive and transformative state when I joined up.

I have personally felt that the East is in for a real mess when China, Russia, and Japan all start fighting over resources and military dominance over the region. The Asian countries still have resentment of Japan's treatment of them back in WWII, and would get revenge if they could. It is a powder keg unmatched by any level of crisis that can occur in the Middle East at this time. Certainly, if Iran gets nukes, and the situation in Pakistan continues to deteriorate, that could change.

when i was working in aerospace, its was norad, adc and spo after the pentagon

while india is trying to catch up on the education front, it still lags the rest of the world

however, pakistan is a completely different animal, its education system suck because the conservative islamists do not want a western style educated population and they and india have nuclear weapons that can reach each other

if iran joins the nuclear club, then there will be four nuclear capable nations in the me and the rest of the me nations that can afford nukes will want them and what a mess that will be

in the far east, southeast asia will want the resources in southeast asia, especially vietnam when talking about the south china sea

and if china and japan go at it, we are allied with japan and there is a potential for all hell breaking lose (the southeast asian nations do not have a significant military capability to really matter...unless we are foolish enough to make a treaty of support with any of them)

as for russia, it is most interested in the arctic's resources as are all of the nations that border the arctic and there is already a conflict brewing there

the next wars will be fought over water and various natural resources (mainly oil and various minerals, but also natural gas)

the likelihood is that the next wars will start out as conventional and degrade in to being fought with nuclear tipped missiles :(

stealth technology may apply to the conventional phase of any wars, but nuclear tipped missiles will make the final phase a world killer and then there is the antarctic which russia claims the most of, but has not been fully explored yet...however, global climate change may make the antarctic harder to exploit than the arctic or possibly easier, the scientists have yet to figure that one out...

if global climate change continues in the direction it seems to be headed, then water will be the most fought over resource for some nations to even survive

bummer
 
In the Air Force, you can't make NCO rank within a standard four-year enlistment period. If you enlist for six years, then you can make Staff Sgt. about 1-1.5 years before you get out. If specialists are what you want, then you want career-minded NCO's of Staff, Tech, and Master Sgt. ranks. They are the well-oiled machine that makes the AF get the job done (along with the company grade officers who pilot aircraft, of course). That's pretty much the reason why we're the only branch of service without warrant officers, who would normally be the technical experts and specialists - that role has long been filled by NCOs, and so the AF got rid of warrant officers.

Whaa? I made E-5 in three years.

Back to the article, 1. it doesn't say pay will be cut. It says the yearly COLA raise might be reduced from the measley 1.7% we got this year.
2. I think the case could be made for fewer enlisted and officers after the drawdown is complete.
and 3. This is just more "gloom and doom" predictions.
 
Whaa? I made E-5 in three years.

Back to the article, 1. it doesn't say pay will be cut. It says the yearly COLA raise might be reduced from the measley 1.7% we got this year.
2. I think the case could be made for fewer enlisted and officers after the drawdown is complete.
and 3. This is just more "gloom and doom" predictions.

as far as i am concerned, less cola is effectively a pay cut and i agree that the military is underpaid

also, my point was the article is part of the bs coming out of congress and the pentagon
 
the included article talks about reducing pay raises for us military personnel, but does not address the excess of commissioned and non-commissioned officers per lower ranked personnel or the problems that reducing pay raises will create in keeping necessary military personnel (specialists) or the need to cut unnecessary projects that various congress critters want to keep because they provide employment in their districts/states.

the military industrial complex has learned to spread out contracts and sub-contracts (and military posts and research centers) for various projects to key congressional districts.

the bulk of new government offices have been built on the east coast from lower new york state to virgina (the prime employer is homeland security)

please notice in all of the articles published by the pentagon regarding budget cuts, there is no mention of the number of generals and admirals that would have to be cut or the number and names of projects that would have to be cut/cancelled

oh well

RAMSTEIN AIR FORCE BASE, Germany (Reuters) - The Pentagon will have to cut the size of U.S. military forces for the second time in as many years if across-the-board spending reductions of $470 billion over 10 years take effect March 1, the top U.S. military officer said on Saturday.

General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said about a third of the cuts would have to come from forces, with the remaining two-thirds taken from spending on modernization, compensation and readiness.
He noted that the Army had begun to shrink last year toward 490,000 from a high of 570,000, a result of efforts to trim $487 billion over 10 years as required by the Budget Control Act of 2011.
The Budget Control Act also envisioned the additional across-the-board cuts under a process known as sequestration. If those cuts go into effect, "the Army will have to come down again," Dempsey said.
Speaking to reporters traveling with him to Afghanistan, Dempsey said two recent high-profile examples of belt-tightening were attempts by the Pentagon to adapt to the current challenging budget climate and had nothing to do with sequestration.
The Pentagon said last week it would seek a smaller-than-expected pay increase of 1 percent for military personnel in the 2014 fiscal year budget. Pay increases have generally been pegged to an employment cost index and had been expected to rise 1.7 percent.
"That action is being taken to help us absorb the $487 billion in the Budget Control Act. It has nothing to do with sequestration," Dempsey said.

A defense official said the lower pay increase would save the department about $470 million during the 2014 fiscal year. The savings would amount to $3 billion over five years because future increases would be based on the lower 2014 raise.
Dempsey said the decision this week to delay deployment of the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier strike group to the Middle East was to adjust to funding for the 2013 fiscal year.
Congress has not appropriated funds for the Pentagon for 2013. Instead, it passed a continuing resolution that temporarily extends Pentagon funding until late March at 2012 levels.
"The continuing resolution under which we're operating has more money in the investment account and less money in operations and maintenance and we don't have transfer authority to move it," Dempsey said. "So our operations and maintenance is deteriorating because of the misalignment of funding in the continuing resolution."
Dempsey is due to testify on the impact of sequestration at a hearing next week before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"What we've got to make clear to the Congress next week (is) that it's not just about sequestration. We're trying to absorb the $487 billion Budget Control Act, we're trying to absorb the challenges that were imposed on us by the continuing resolution and we're anticipating absorbing sequestration," Dempsey said.

(Editing by Doina Chiacu)





http://news.yahoo.com/tight-budget-may-force-pentagon-cut-forces-general-145019424.html
I know there were way too many NCO's when I was in the military. The problem is promotion inflation: You pass a test, you get another chevron.
 
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