Don't Ask, Don't TELL

I sent her a thank you email! She did a great service for her country in this repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell!
 
Rana said:
I sent her a thank you email! She did a great service for her country in this repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell!
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Why was it such a great service? Is something good and beneficial going to come from this? Will this action make our military stronger or more capable of fighting? From my perspective, nothing "good" can happen as a result of this. All that can possibly happen, is bad.

It actually marks the end of what I thought was one of Clinton's smartest decisions as president.
 
Dixie,
I think you will be proven very wrong, just like blacks and woman have proven your ilk wrong!

This will allow people to not fear losing their positions because of their sexual orientation.

They will continue to serve honorably and any problems will be handled by the military as has always happened.
 
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Dixie said:
Why was it such a great service? Is something good and beneficial going to come from this? Will this action make our military stronger or more capable of fighting? From my perspective, nothing "good" can happen as a result of this. All that can possibly happen, is bad.

It actually marks the end of what I thought was one of Clinton's smartest decisions as president.
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You made a lot of conclusions; but never showed your reasons.

Therefore:
Why is it going to be bad and non-benificial?
How is this going to make us weaker and less capable?
What do you see as possibly happening?
 
Rana said:
Dixie,
I think you will be proven very wrong, just like blacks and woman have proven your ilk wrong!

This will allow people to not fear losing their positions because of their sexual orientation.

They will continue to serve honorably and any problems will be handled by the military as has always happened.
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They didn't have to fear losing anything with DADT... it's self explanatory. They continued to serve honorably, so this repeal doesn't change or alter any of that. C'mon, you made the claim, now back it up! What benefit or advantage has been gained by repealing DADT? I see NONE!
 
There are none so blind who can not see, Dixie, you just aren't looking.

A young West Point student now say she can truly uphold the honor code! It is a great example of how this has already improved the military!
 
Rana said:
There are none so blind who can not see, Dixie, you just aren't looking.

A young West Point student now say she can truly uphold the honor code! It is a great example of how this has already improved the military!
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She could truly uphold the code of honor before, nothing has changed. This can do nothing to benefit the military, it can do very much to damage it. That's my opinion, but hell, it's passed into law now, so we will get to find out who is right! I predict there will be all kinds of problems arise, as a result of this.
 
Dixie said:
She could truly uphold the code of honor before, nothing has changed. This can do nothing to benefit the military, it can do very much to damage it. That's my opinion, but hell, it's passed into law now, so we will get to find out who is right! I predict there will be all kinds of problems arise, as a result of this.
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You're doing a really good job of spreading innuendo, supposition, accusation, and assertions; but you haven't supported a single thing.
Could you possible put your fears to pen, so to speak, and allow us to understand why you have formed the opinions you have?
 
Mojo said:
Maybe reading this will help Dixie understand why most people thought ending the DADT policy was the correct thing to do.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/18/end-of-military-gay-ban-is-pivotal-moment-in-history/

BTW, the majority of Americans polled recently did want DADT repealed.

67% Support Repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145130/support-repealing-dont-ask-dont-tell.aspx

Looks like majority rule to me.

Now it's law.
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Well, I read what you suggested, but all I see is a bunch of gay people who are elated this is finally being passed. I don't see any argument on why or how it makes the military stronger or better. Polls don't really matter much to me on this, I don't base my viewpoints on the polls. As I said, I thought DADT was a pretty smart way to handle this issue, when Clinton proposed it. I would have also passed Don't Know, Don't Care! But, that's just me. The military serves a specific function for all of America, and the paramount importance in this debate, is what makes our military function and perform its best, because nothing else is as important as this. Here, we have allowed Liberal sentiment, our emotional feelings for the plight of the gay service member, to dictate our policy. To what advantage has it served our military? I see nothing it can do positively for our military, I see plenty of negatives, but we shall see. Perhaps we live in a new era, where this just isn't a big deal to the younger generation who are serving, and there will be no problems?

..................Is it just me, or hasn't the sailor's uniform ALWAYS looked queer?
 
Dixie, the good thing that comes out of this is that people do not have to hide their identity to advance their careers in the defense of this country. Its only "Bad" for this to happen if you don't want gay people to have the same rights as everyone else. But in your case its more simple, they scare you. Thus you'd rather not know about it.
 
Dixie said:
Well, I read what you suggested, but all I see is a bunch of gay people who are elated this is finally being passed. I don't see any argument on why or how it makes the military stronger or better. Polls don't really matter much to me on this, I don't base my viewpoints on the polls. As I said, I thought DADT was a pretty smart way to handle this issue, when Clinton proposed it. I would have also passed Don't Know, Don't Care! But, that's just me. The military serves a specific function for all of America, and the paramount importance in this debate, is what makes our military function and perform its best, because nothing else is as important as this. Here, we have allowed Liberal sentiment, our emotional feelings for the plight of the gay service member, to dictate our policy. To what advantage has it served our military? I see nothing it can do positively for our military, I see plenty of negatives, but we shall see. Perhaps we live in a new era, where this just isn't a big deal to the younger generation who are serving, and there will be no problems?

..................Is it just me, or hasn't the sailor's uniform ALWAYS looked queer?
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"To what advantage has it served our military? I see nothing it can do positively for our military, I see plenty of negatives,..."

You keep posting this; but have yet to supply anything to support it.
Why do you feel it's a disadvantage?
What are the negatives?
 
Husbands and wives of members of the U.S. Armed Forces routinely receive military benefits for supporting their spouses, but if the “don’t ask don’t tell” (DADT) policy is repealed in 2011 will spouses of gays and lesbians in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard receive the same benefits?

Kimberly Hefling has published a report in the Marine Corps Times that asks “Partners of Gay troops to get Benefits, Too?” The question that Hefling asks refers to programs that provide assistance to military spouses such as My Career Advancement Accounts (MyCAA) which provides up to $6,000 dollars in tuition assistance for military spouses. Another program to assist spouses provides travel benefits to meet the expense of relocating a household when a service member receives permanent change of station (PCS) orders.

Same-Sex Marriage is Legal in Five States and Washington D.C.
Because same-sex marriage is legal in 5 states (Iowa, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Connecticut, and Vermont, and Federal District Washington D.C.), the Armed Forces will have to determine whether or not to recognize same-sex marriages from these regions if "don't ask, don't tell" is repealed. This is just one of the issues being examined as the implications of repealing DADT are being reviewed.



Read more at Suite101: If DADT Repealed will Gay Spouses Receive Military Benefits? http://www.suite101.com/content/if-...ceive-military-benefits-a222545#ixzz18UX9Da7s
 
Dixie said:
Why was it such a great service? Is something good and beneficial going to come from this? Will this action make our military stronger or more capable of fighting? From my perspective, nothing "good" can happen as a result of this. All that can possibly happen, is bad.

It actually marks the end of what I thought was one of Clinton's smartest decisions as president.
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Any time we defeat a blatant prejudice we all benefit.

How many qualified,high quality, expensively trained members of our military have been kicked out because of their sexual orientation? Continuing this practice helps in what way???
 
Dixie said:
Well, I read what you suggested, but all I see is a bunch of gay people who are elated this is finally being passed. I don't see any argument on why or how it makes the military stronger or better. Polls don't really matter much to me on this, I don't base my viewpoints on the polls. As I said, I thought DADT was a pretty smart way to handle this issue, when Clinton proposed it. I would have also passed Don't Know, Don't Care! But, that's just me. The military serves a specific function for all of America, and the paramount importance in this debate, is what makes our military function and perform its best, because nothing else is as important as this. Here, we have allowed Liberal sentiment, our emotional feelings for the plight of the gay service member, to dictate our policy. To what advantage has it served our military? I see nothing it can do positively for our military, I see plenty of negatives, but we shall see. Perhaps we live in a new era, where this just isn't a big deal to the younger generation who are serving, and there will be no problems?

..................Is it just me, or hasn't the sailor's uniform ALWAYS looked queer?
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Dixie, you could substitute race for sexual orientation in your rants and have the exact thing that was said when the US military was desegregated.

Now, before you start another rant, whether we can equate homosexuality and race is irrelevant. The adamant reactions against desegregation were the same. And just as baseless.
 
WinterBorn said:
Any time we defeat a blatant prejudice we all benefit.

How many qualified,high quality, expensively trained members of our military have been kicked out because of their sexual orientation? Continuing this practice helps in what way???
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Whether it "benefits" the military or not, the Congress has spoken, and the president will sign it.

It will effectively end the old policy.

"...in the days leading up to today's momentous vote, those who had been in the trenches of combat and the cultural wars paused to reflect on a battle that began in the 1970s when Air Force Tech Sgt. Leonard Matlovich first challenged the ban on gays.

After dying of AIDS, the Vietnam veteran was buried beneath a nameless tombstone that spoke for all gays who served in silence:"When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one."

In more recent days, when it looked as if the repeal would fail, some like West Point graduate Dan Choi broke from the stress. But others stuck it out until the mission was accomplished.

For former Air Force Maj. Michael Almy, who recently sued to be reinstated, the vote means he can retire from his second job as an activist -- which included escorting Lady Gaga at the MTV Video Music Awards to raise awareness -- and resume his 13-year military career.

"Repeal," he said, "will mean that gay and lesbian Americans are no longer treated as second-class citizens, unworthy to defend our nation without pretending to be something they are not."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/18/end-of-military-gay-ban-is-pivotal-moment-in-history/
 
Mojo said:
Husbands and wives of members of the U.S. Armed Forces routinely receive military benefits for supporting their spouses, but if the “don’t ask don’t tell” (DADT) policy is repealed in 2011 will spouses of gays and lesbians in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard receive the same benefits?

Kimberly Hefling has published a report in the Marine Corps Times that asks “Partners of Gay troops to get Benefits, Too?” The question that Hefling asks refers to programs that provide assistance to military spouses such as My Career Advancement Accounts (MyCAA) which provides up to $6,000 dollars in tuition assistance for military spouses. Another program to assist spouses provides travel benefits to meet the expense of relocating a household when a service member receives permanent change of station (PCS) orders.

Same-Sex Marriage is Legal in Five States and Washington D.C.
Because same-sex marriage is legal in 5 states (Iowa, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Connecticut, and Vermont, and Federal District Washington D.C.), the Armed Forces will have to determine whether or not to recognize same-sex marriages from these regions if "don't ask, don't tell" is repealed. This is just one of the issues being examined as the implications of repealing DADT are being reviewed.



Read more at Suite101: If DADT Repealed will Gay Spouses Receive Military Benefits? http://www.suite101.com/content/if-...ceive-military-benefits-a222545#ixzz18UX9Da7s
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Mojo, I think you have touched on the cornerstone of why the social conservatives fear, and are so opposed to, the repeal of DADT.

If the military repeals this, gays will be treated as equals in the military. Once that happens, and the world sees that we did not become a second rate military power, the rest of the myths spouted about gays will come under question.

It will be the big push needed to remove one of the last major prejudices of the federal government.
 
Mojo said:
Whether it "benefits" the military or not, the Congress has spoken, and the president will sign it.

It will effectively end the old policy.

"...in the days leading up to today's momentous vote, those who had been in the trenches of combat and the cultural wars paused to reflect on a battle that began in the 1970s when Air Force Tech Sgt. Leonard Matlovich first challenged the ban on gays.

After dying of AIDS, the Vietnam veteran was buried beneath a nameless tombstone that spoke for all gays who served in silence:"When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one."

In more recent days, when it looked as if the repeal would fail, some like West Point graduate Dan Choi broke from the stress. But others stuck it out until the mission was accomplished.

For former Air Force Maj. Michael Almy, who recently sued to be reinstated, the vote means he can retire from his second job as an activist -- which included escorting Lady Gaga at the MTV Video Music Awards to raise awareness -- and resume his 13-year military career.

"Repeal," he said, "will mean that gay and lesbian Americans are no longer treated as second-class citizens, unworthy to defend our nation without pretending to be something they are not."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/18/end-of-military-gay-ban-is-pivotal-moment-in-history/
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I think his quote bears repeating:

"When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one."
 
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