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midcan5

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What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect. What does it say of a nation, of a political party, when it supports tax reduction for the well to do but denies funds to educate its citizenry?



"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
 
midcan5 said:
What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect. What does it say of a nation, of a political party, when it supports tax reduction for the well to do but denies funds to educate its citizenry?



"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
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Is there a non-rhetorical question here somewhere Midcan?
 
The Associate's Degree has become the new High School Diploma. I'd say our K-12 system is partly responsible for the credentials inflation...
 
I Love America said:
Without low skilled, uneducated voters the democrat party would have few voters
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Statistics prove you wrong, but you must be used to that. http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

The Daily Show had a skit on Trump supporters, aka republican voters, it is funny but clearly demonstrates the lack of education and bigotry of the republican party today.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/h2l2i...-noah-who-s-actually-supporting-donald-trump-


"But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. True, you disagree among yourselves as to what that substitute shall be. You are divided on new propositions and plans, but you are unanimous in rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers. Some of you are for reviving the foreign slave trade; some for a Congressional Slave-Code for the Territories; some for Congress forbidding the Territories to prohibit Slavery within their limits; some for maintaining Slavery in the Territories through the judiciary; some for the "gur-reat pur-rinciple" that "if one man would enslave another, no third man should object," fantastically called "Popular Sovereignty;" but never a man among you is in favor of federal prohibition of slavery in federal territories, according to the practice of "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live." Not one of all your various plans can show a precedent or an advocate in the century within which our Government originated. Consider, then, whether your claim of conservatism for yourselves, and your charge or destructiveness against us, are based on the most clear and stable foundations." Abraham Lincoln http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/cooper.htm
 
midcan5 said:
What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect. What does it say of a nation, of a political party, when it supports tax reduction for the well to do but denies funds to educate its citizenry?



"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
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What does it say for those with an ideology that blinds them to the fact that we already spend more per capita than almost every other country in the world?

It isn't a lack of funding that is the problem.
 
Superfreak said:
What does it say for those with an ideology that blinds them to the fact that we already spend more per capita than almost every other country in the world?

It isn't a lack of funding that is the problem.
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It says lots about our values as a society and it also shows how money spent is misused in a market that values sports, for instance, above education. The problem is where the money is spent, only the naive live in an America in which they think anything like equality exists in education or lots of other areas too. We spend lots on our medical system as well, and it too sucks in many ways. But saying any of this is meaningless as those who believe in simple answers rely on these simple answers to salve their conscience. In the background of all beliefs are reasons untold and un-faced. Facing them is too challenging.

'Key & Peele Imagines What It’d Be Like if We Obsessed Over Teachers the Way We Do Athletes'
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...r_parody_new_sketch_imagines_teachers_as.html

'The U.S. Is Letting Poor Kids Fall Further and Further Behind in Reading'
http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled...the_poorer_the_child_the_less_proficient.html
 
midcan5 said:
What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect. What does it say of a nation, of a political party, when it supports tax reduction for the well to do but denies funds to educate its citizenry?



"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
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What does it say of an ideology that believes simply throwing more money at education will somehow correct the problems within our education system?

We ALREADY spend more per student than the vast majority of countries that outperform us. Why is that? Why do some people refuse to address that simple fact?

What is truly funny is that the so called 'liberals' are the ones fighting so hard to maintain the status quo (traditionally a conservative trait). So beholden is the left to the teachers union that they refuse to address the problems within education. Instead they chirp that more money is needed.
 
midcan5 said:
It says lots about our values as a society and it also shows how money spent is misused in a market that values sports, for instance, above education. The problem is where the money is spent, only the naive live in an America in which they think anything like equality exists in education or lots of other areas too. We spend lots on our medical system as well, and it too sucks in many ways. But saying any of this is meaningless as those who believe in simple answers rely on these simple answers to salve their conscience. In the background of all beliefs are reasons untold and un-faced. Facing them is too challenging.
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So you admit that it is NOT a problem with spending as your OP suggests?

That it is a problem that lies in HOW the money is spent and HOW the teachers go about educating the youth of today?

No... you are never going to have 'equality' when it comes to how well schools are funded. The wealthy will ALWAYS prop up their kids schools with extra funds and all the latest in technology. That said, we do need to do something about improving the educational environment in lower income areas. But a large part of the change HAS to come from the parents and kids. Until they change their attitude, the good teachers are still going to avoid those areas and the unions will keep funneling the shitty teachers there.
 
Superfreak said:
What does it say for those with an ideology that blinds them to the fact that we already spend more per capita than almost every other country in the world?

It isn't a lack of funding that is the problem.
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Id agree that throwing money at the problem is not wise. I'd argue that a significant part of the problem is you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. All the money and programs in the world don't mean squat if being nurtured to value and compete in education, particularly STEM fields isn't emphasized at home.

I truly feel bad for educators as they are often demonized for the failures of patents.
 
Superfreak said:
So you admit that it is NOT a problem with spending as your OP suggests?

That it is a problem that lies in HOW the money is spent and HOW the teachers go about educating the youth of today?

No... you are never going to have 'equality' when it comes to how well schools are funded. The wealthy will ALWAYS prop up their kids schools with extra funds and all the latest in technology. That said, we do need to do something about improving the educational environment in lower income areas. But a large part of the change HAS to come from the parents and kids. Until they change their attitude, the good teachers are still going to avoid those areas and the unions will keep funneling the shitty teachers there.
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Can't really argue with your assessment. Finding ways to equitably finance education outside the traditional property tax route has proven quite elusive but even if there was a tried and true solution to the problem it's easily undermined by apathetic parents and students.
 
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