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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/b...ases-media-equation.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

The Espionage Act, enacted back in 1917 to punish those who gave aid to our enemies, was used three times in all the prior administrations to bring cases against government officials accused of providing classified information to the media. It has been used six times since the current president took office. ...

one of which....

In one of the more remarkable examples of the administration’s aggressive approach, Thomas A. Drake, a former employee of the National Security Agency, was prosecuted under the Espionage Act last year and faced a possible 35 years in prison.

His crime? When his agency was about to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a software program bought from the private sector intended to monitor digital data, he spoke with a reporter at The Baltimore Sun. He suggested an internally developed program that cost significantly less would be more effective and not violate privacy in the way the product from the vendor would. (He turned out to be right, by the way.)

He was charged with 10 felony counts that accused him of lying to investigators and obstructing justice. Last summer, the case against him collapsed, and he pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor, of misuse of a government computer.

Jesselyn Radack, the director for national security and human rights at the Government Accountability Project, was one of the lawyers who represented him.

“The Obama administration has been quite hypocritical about its promises of openness, transparency and accountability,” she said. “All presidents hate leaks, but pursuing whistle-blowers as spies is heavy-handed and beyond the scope of the law.”

Curious... could someone please show me how saying 'we could save money and avoid privacy issues' is equitable to espionage?

Got to love this 'open and transparent' administration. Chicago politics at its finest ladies and gents.
 
not sure what you're getting at here SF. nearly everyone here doesn't believe that the government would ever cover up it's abuse by going after whistleblowers.
 
I hate the expression "chicago style politics" it's so stupid.

But I'd like to see you find a liberal who agrees with this. It's one of the many reasons that Obama is not a liberal, but rather a right of center politician. though everyone laughs when I say that, so...
 
i'm surprised the times did this piece.

The Obama administration, which promised during its transition to power that it would enhance “whistle-blower laws to protect federal workers,” has been more prone than any administration in history in trying to silence and prosecute federal workers.
 
I hate the expression "chicago style politics" it's so stupid.

But I'd like to see you find a liberal who agrees with this. It's one of the many reasons that Obama is not a liberal, but rather a right of center politician. though everyone laughs when I say that, so...

The narrative since '08 is that he is a dangerous Socialist who is moving the country further & further down the path to communism.

That is, right up until he's exactly like Bush was, and copying the policies of Republicans.
 
The narrative since '08 is that he is a dangerous Socialist who is moving the country further & further down the path to communism.

That is, right up until he's exactly like Bush was, and copying the policies of Republicans.

both statements could be true

:palm:
 
I hate the expression "chicago style politics" it's so stupid.

If you lived anywhere NEAR Chicago, you would understand why this is hardly stupid. The political corruption in that city is beyond the pale.

But I'd like to see you find a liberal who agrees with this. It's one of the many reasons that Obama is not a liberal, but rather a right of center politician. though everyone laughs when I say that, so...

Obama is not a center right politician by any stretch of the imagination. Are you seriously suggesting that cover-ups are a 'center-right' thing?

That is truly comical
 
I hate the expression "chicago style politics" it's so stupid.

But I'd like to see you find a liberal who agrees with this. It's one of the many reasons that Obama is not a liberal, but rather a right of center politician. though everyone laughs when I say that, so...


I agree with it. You don't think Bradley Manning should be prosecuted (one can disagree with his treatment and the conditions of his detention while agreeing that he should be prosecuted)? You didn't think whomever leaked the fact that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent should have been prosecuted? I don't know the particulars of the prosecution of Thomas Drake, and if it's actually as innocuous as the article makes it appear, I would disagree with his particular case, but the general concept is fine with me.

I don't think recipients of leaked information should be prosecuted for publishing it, but I don't think that government officials who leak classified information should be able to do so with impunity.
 
The narrative since '08 is that he is a dangerous Socialist who is moving the country further & further down the path to communism.

That is, right up until he's exactly like Bush was, and copying the policies of Republicans.

Except the policies that Bush enacted that Obama is continuing that people bitch about are NOT conservative. They are liberal...

1) Pill Bill... to Obama care
2) High deficit spending... to insane deficit spending (with certain liberals saying the deficit spending wasn't HIGH enough)

Those two especially are nowhere near conservative.
 
Except the policies that Bush enacted that Obama is continuing that people bitch about are NOT conservative. They are liberal...

1) Pill Bill... to Obama care
2) High deficit spending... to insane deficit spending (with certain liberals saying the deficit spending wasn't HIGH enough)

Those two especially are nowhere near conservative.

On this board, posters haven't really gone specific. They'll either say "he's been just like Bush," or "all he does is copy Republicans."

It's only when push comes to shove the he's a dangerous socialist...
 
I agree with it. You don't think Bradley Manning should be prosecuted (one can disagree with his treatment and the conditions of his detention while agreeing that he should be prosecuted)? You didn't think whomever leaked the fact that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent should have been prosecuted? I don't know the particulars of the prosecution of Thomas Drake, and if it's actually as innocuous as the article makes it appear, I would disagree with his particular case, but the general concept is fine with me.

I don't think recipients of leaked information should be prosecuted for publishing it, but I don't think that government officials who leak classified information should be able to do so with impunity.

No I don't think Manning should be prosecuted. But his case is far more egregious than this one.

I feel that this climate of terrible fear surrounding whistleblowers is bad for Democracy.
 
Except the policies that Bush enacted that Obama is continuing that people bitch about are NOT conservative. They are liberal...

1) Pill Bill... to Obama care
2) High deficit spending... to insane deficit spending (with certain liberals saying the deficit spending wasn't HIGH enough)

Those two especially are nowhere near conservative.

Nope. Deficit spending is NOT liberal. Both liberal and conservatives have always done it, it's just that cons pay lip service to not doing it...and then go ahead and do the opposite. So they're not only deficit spenders, they're liars.

The only difference is what the money is spent on, and that, does tend to come down on liberal vs con lines.
 
Only if Bush and the Republicans are dangerous socialists who are leading the country further down the path to communism.

Man, you'll defend any rightie argument, won't you?

you are demented. i am not defending anything, merely stating both could be true. he could implement some bush policies and still be heading to communism. you're not very bright.
 
On this board, posters haven't really gone specific. They'll either say "he's been just like Bush," or "all he does is copy Republicans."

It's only when push comes to shove the he's a dangerous socialist...

I will agree that the whole 'he be socialist/marxist' is quite absurd, he is most certainly a liberal. He is not 'center-right' as Darla stated. while he may have certain areas where he is center-right, on the whole he is definitely left of center. Not even close to being a centrist, let alone center-right.
 
you are demented. i am not defending anything, merely stating both could be true. he could implement some bush policies and still be heading to communism. you're not very bright.

Sorry, dear - not when the posters in question make generalized statements like "he's been just like Bush," and "all he does is copy Republicans!"

They flip on a dime, though. It always depends on which argument is more convenient for them. Oh - you're one of them, btw.
 
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