Europeans leaders worry Trump wants to fulfill promise to bring American troops home

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After 18 months of Donald Trump's "America First" presidency, European leaders meeting with him next week fear the United States may change its traditional course and begin to bring American troops home from the continent.

It comes as nations, especially in Eastern Europe, are lobbying the United States to increase the number of troops on the continent as they worry about combating an increasingly aggressive Russia.

Trump has talked about bringing U.S. troops home from around the globe since he was on the campaign trail espousing a strategy he dubbed "America First” but he has yet to act.

They are scared to death," former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told McClatchy. "They are worried about a very unpredictable president of the United States. They are increasingly worried he is going to do things not based on what's in the best interest..but based solely on his vision of 'America First.' "

The Pentagon is already reviewing the impact of withdrawing some of the 35,000 active-duty American troops in Germany, the Washington Post reported last month.

The fate of American troops in Europe are not expected to be on the agenda of the Brussels meeting of NATO — the alliance formed after World War II to counter a Soviet, now Russian, threat — but will loom large, as it comes just before Trump's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.

Some worry an unpredictable Trump, at the U.S.-Russia summit, could agree to take the first steps to embolden Russia, such as halting military exercises or agreeing that Crimea, a region of Ukraine annexed by Russia in 2014, belongs to Russia.

Magnus Nordenman, who worked as a defense analyst and a strategic planning consultant for major European defense industry companies, said European allies are "absolutely worried" after hearing Trump disparage allies of the G-7, as well as NATO members' contributions and seeing him eager to meet Putin as well as North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.

"There is element of uncertainty in all this," said Nordenman, now the director of the Transatlantic Security Initiative at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council. "But we all need to take a bit of a breath here...and hope the president is in a good mood when he goes to Brussels."

A senior administration official with knowledge of the situation but not authorized to speak publicly did not initially answer the question about possible troop withdrawals on a conference call with reporters. But when asked a second time, the official said Trump is not expected to threaten troop withdrawals in Germany or elsewhere.

Congress is likely to oppose troop withdrawals and could pass legislation to prevent Trump from using money to move the military.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article214324579.html
 
why do we need all these troops in Germany? eastern Europe would have us put all our troops there -
does anyone think Russia is going to move on Poland? /Romania?

and why is Congress ONCE AGAIN interfering in foreign policy? They should stick to do nothingness
 
After 18 months of Donald Trump's "America First" presidency, European leaders meeting with him next week fear the United States may change its traditional course and begin to bring American troops home from the continent.

It comes as nations, especially in Eastern Europe, are lobbying the United States to increase the number of troops on the continent as they worry about combating an increasingly aggressive Russia.

Trump has talked about bringing U.S. troops home from around the globe since he was on the campaign trail espousing a strategy he dubbed "America First” but he has yet to act.

They are scared to death," former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told McClatchy. "They are worried about a very unpredictable president of the United States. They are increasingly worried he is going to do things not based on what's in the best interest..but based solely on his vision of 'America First.' "

The Pentagon is already reviewing the impact of withdrawing some of the 35,000 active-duty American troops in Germany, the Washington Post reported last month.

The fate of American troops in Europe are not expected to be on the agenda of the Brussels meeting of NATO — the alliance formed after World War II to counter a Soviet, now Russian, threat — but will loom large, as it comes just before Trump's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.

Some worry an unpredictable Trump, at the U.S.-Russia summit, could agree to take the first steps to embolden Russia, such as halting military exercises or agreeing that Crimea, a region of Ukraine annexed by Russia in 2014, belongs to Russia.

Magnus Nordenman, who worked as a defense analyst and a strategic planning consultant for major European defense industry companies, said European allies are "absolutely worried" after hearing Trump disparage allies of the G-7, as well as NATO members' contributions and seeing him eager to meet Putin as well as North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.

"There is element of uncertainty in all this," said Nordenman, now the director of the Transatlantic Security Initiative at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council. "But we all need to take a bit of a breath here...and hope the president is in a good mood when he goes to Brussels."

A senior administration official with knowledge of the situation but not authorized to speak publicly did not initially answer the question about possible troop withdrawals on a conference call with reporters. But when asked a second time, the official said Trump is not expected to threaten troop withdrawals in Germany or elsewhere.

Congress is likely to oppose troop withdrawals and could pass legislation to prevent Trump from using money to move the military.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article214324579.html

Yes , Putin wants NATO dismantled
 
a) Trump is the loosest of canons.

b) Candidate Trump declared NATO obsolete. Then Trump flip-flopped and declared NATO un-obsolete.

Let us all please put this in context. OK?

1) Trump has angered some of our most trusted military allies and trading partners, with Trump's nascent trade war.

2) One Example: Due to Trump's policy with China, China will no longer consume approx. 1/3 of U.S. soy bean output. Instead, China will triple its soy bean import from Russia.
The consequences of this include:
2a) double harm to our soy farmers, less demand, and lower market price per bushel

2b) weakening the impact of the trade sanctions against Russia for annexing Crimea, because

2c) Russia will gain hard currency from this increased Chinese trade, which will result in,

2d) improved relations between Russia and China; a monumentally formidable entity should it ever become allied, because

2e) trading partners are rather more likely to be military allies, than to war with one another. And

2f) This is what Trump calls "Make America Great Again"?

Trump's policy has harmed the $U.S., strengthened our prominent adversary Russia, and just may have planted the seed of the East Asian alliance that could prove to be the threat of the century.
" ... trade wars are good, and easy to win." Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 18/03/02 02:50
This dude isn't smart enough to be assistant manager on second shift at Piggly Wiggly!
 
2d) improved relations between Russia and China; a monumentally formidable entity should it ever become allied, because

2e) trading partners are rather more likely to be military allies, than to war with one another. And

2f) This is what Trump calls "Make America Great Again"?

Trump's policy has harmed the $U.S., strengthened our prominent adversary Russia, and just may have planted the seed of the East Asian alliance that could prove to be the threat of the century.

This dude isn't smart enough to be assistant manager on second shift at Piggly Wiggly!
Sanctions have already drove Putin into both a military and economic alliance with China.

Relief of sanctions allows Russian access to western banks -increased trade with the west. There's your context.
Alienation of Russia has made it into a Sino-Russian military/economic alliance -which is particularly bad for the US

Russian engineering coupled with Chinese money becomes much more difficult then separating the alliance
 
why do we need all these troops in Germany? eastern Europe would have us put all our troops there -
does anyone think Russia is going to move on Poland? /Romania?

and why is Congress ONCE AGAIN interfering in foreign policy? They should stick to do nothingness


The problem with this conversation is you are uneducated and as such fail to understand what is going on. Power projection is a good thing and that is what being in Europe is. The reason Europe is largely peaceful is because of out presence. You need to think before you post.
 
why do we need all these troops in Germany? eastern Europe would have us put all our troops there -
does anyone think Russia is going to move on Poland? /Romania?

and why is Congress ONCE AGAIN interfering in foreign policy? They should stick to do nothingness

Exactly. Why do these people think Russia is going to attack somebody?
 
The problem with this conversation is you are uneducated and as such fail to understand what is going on. Power projection is a good thing and that is what being in Europe is. The reason Europe is largely peaceful is because of out presence. You need to think before you post.
NATO isn't power projection. It's actual hard power.
Europe is peaceful because of NATO -but NATO expansion has ratcheted tension up between Europe and Russia.

If it weer upto Europe we'd put all our forces there. we have other alliances to serve as well
 
NATO isn't power projection. It's actual hard power.
Europe is peaceful because of NATO -but NATO expansion has ratcheted tension up between Europe and Russia.

If it weer upto Europe we'd put all our forces there. we have other alliances to serve as well


thats what I was afraid of, your stupid is shining through
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this. There are a lot of moving parts.

The European Union should be able to stand on it's own feet. At the same time, we do need a Western Alliance (NATO) to support Western Democratic Values.
 
why do we need all these troops in Germany? eastern Europe would have us put all our troops there -
does anyone think Russia is going to move on Poland? /Romania?

and why is Congress ONCE AGAIN interfering in foreign policy? They should stick to do nothingness

just how far up Putins colon do you live?
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this. There are a lot of moving parts.

The European Union should be able to stand on it's own feet. At the same time, we do need a Western Alliance (NATO) to support Western Democratic Values.
it's a question of balancing out NATO for a defensive force vs. "encirclement" of Russia ( NATO expansion)

NATO as a defensive alliance is fantastic - when it becomes a geopolitical push against Russia "just because"
is when NATO loses it's core mission, and becomes antagonistic - increasing the chance for hostilities
 
why do we need all these troops in Germany? eastern Europe would have us put all our troops there -
does anyone think Russia is going to move on Poland? /Romania?

and why is Congress ONCE AGAIN interfering in foreign policy? They should stick to do nothingness

This economic system relies upon endless war and global occupation along with financial sector chicanery. The US has been at war/conflict for 93% of the time it has been a nation and militarily supports 3/4's of the world's military dictatorships.

Don lied, it's out of his hands, the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class will have its wars.
 
"Sanctions have already drove Putin into both a military and economic alliance with China." a #5
Perhaps you refer to the Obama administration era sanctions levied against Russia after the annexation of Crimea.
The sanctions were a unified Western response. What else would you have had Obama do? Go against our military allies and trade partners, and violate their sanctions?

- I opposed the Russian military annexation of Crimea. If Putin wanted Crimea he could have put it to a vote. Putin dared not, for he feared he might lose.

- As Crimea was not a NATO member, I appreciate the NATO non-intervention there.

- Because I think it was wrong I supported the Western sanctions against Russia, including iirc the reduction of G8 to G7.
"Sanctions have already drove Putin into both a military and economic alliance with China." a #5
And Trump has now substantially strengthened them, and weakened U.S.

M . A . G . A .
 
Why do these people think Russia is going to attack somebody?


Russia issues nuclear threat over Crimea and Baltic States

April 3, 2015
Russia has threatened to use nuclear force against the United States and its Nato allies over Crimea and the Baltic States, in a stark warning reportedly issued by Moscow's envoys to their counterparts earlier this month.

At a closed-door bilateral meeting held in Germany in mid-March, the Kremlin's emissaries cautioned that any Western attempt to return Crimea to Ukraine will be met with force.
. . .

The first message reported was that, after its annexation last year, Crimea was now part of the Russian Federation and any attempt by Nato to win it back for Ukraine would be considered a direct attack against Russia.

As such, it "will be responded to forcefully, including through the use of nuclear force," the document read. "In this type of scenario, the United States should also understand it would also be at risk."

The Russians also used Cold War-era language to suggest that, despite their Nato membership, Moscow considered Baltic states no different from Ukraine, as they are home to a minority Russian ethnic population, which the Kremlin claims is being discriminated against.

The Russian delegation said that "the same conditions that existed in Ukraine and caused Russia to take action there" were also currently present in the three small countries off its western border.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-issues-nuclear-threat-over-crimea-baltic-states-1494675
 
why do we need all these troops in Germany? eastern Europe would have us put all our troops there -
does anyone think Russia is going to move on Poland? /Romania?

snip

Because it serves American interests to be militarily, politically, logistically, and diplomatically integrated with our North Atlantic allies.

Your Orange Pig wanted to escalate the wars in Afghanistan and Syria. The logistics of having troops forward stationed in Europe and the Mediterrannean help make your pig's wars possible.

Did you forget that our NATO allies stood shoulder to shoulder with us in Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and most recently in the successful Obama administration strategy to dismantle and defeat ISIS in Iraq?
 
Russia issues nuclear threat over Crimea and Baltic States

April 3, 2015
Russia has threatened to use nuclear force against the United States and its Nato allies over Crimea and the Baltic States, in a stark warning reportedly issued by Moscow's envoys to their counterparts earlier this month.

At a closed-door bilateral meeting held in Germany in mid-March, the Kremlin's emissaries cautioned that any Western attempt to return Crimea to Ukraine will be met with force.
. . .

The first message reported was that, after its annexation last year, Crimea was now part of the Russian Federation and any attempt by Nato to win it back for Ukraine would be considered a direct attack against Russia.

As such, it "will be responded to forcefully, including through the use of nuclear force," the document read. "In this type of scenario, the United States should also understand it would also be at risk."

The Russians also used Cold War-era language to suggest that, despite their Nato membership, Moscow considered Baltic states no different from Ukraine, as they are home to a minority Russian ethnic population, which the Kremlin claims is being discriminated against.

The Russian delegation said that "the same conditions that existed in Ukraine and caused Russia to take action there" were also currently present in the three small countries off its western border.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-issues-nuclear-threat-over-crimea-baltic-states-1494675
Russia is re-iterating Crimea is now part of Russia ( referendum/annexation) and will be defended as Russian soil.
Including by any and all means needed,,nothing new here- NATO has the same mutual defense policy
 
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