Fairness Doctrine

cawacko

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So DiFi and John Kerry have discussed bringing back the fairness doctrine. I think Rich Lowry really nails what's at the heart of the "fairness doctrine" in this article.


RADIO 'IMBALANCE' IS IN THE TALENT

June 26, 2007 -- RUSH Limbaugh, the conservative talk-radio pioneer, has been called many nasty things before, but never a "structural imbalance." That's the fancy term a liberal think tank uses to characterize his success - and to dress up its proposal for counteracting that success through new government regulation.

The report of the Center for American Progress on "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio" marks the latest phase in liberaldom's grappling with conservative talk radio. First came the attempts to create a liberal Limbaugh - Mario Cuomo, Jim Hightower, et al. - that fell flat. Then an entire left-wing network, Air America, was founded, and foundered. So there's only one option left - if you can't beat them, and you won't join them, you can agitate for government to regulate them.

The report looks at a slice of 257 talk stations and concludes that more than 90 percent of total weekday talk programming is conservative. The supposed reason for this is, essentially, that media companies are conspiring to shove conservative radio down the throats of listeners in a way they couldn't if, among other things, government required broadcasters "to regularly show that they are operating on behalf of the public interest."

This is a pinched view of radio. There are upward of 2,000 U.S. talk stations that deal with news and issues, according to Michael Harrison of Talkers magazine, and they encompass all sorts of formats from National Public Radio to urban radio to shock jocks, none of which are dominated by right wingers. Conservative talk radio is a vibrant niche within that market, but there are many other places to go for news and opinion.

What is hard to find are liberal replicas of Rush Limbaugh, and that is due to the deepest structural imbalance of all - talent. Limbaugh and other top conservative talkers are silver-tongued, informative and - importantly - entertaining. These are qualities that can't be conjured out of nowhere, and designated liberal-radio saviors have tended not to have the requisite talent "on loan from God" (as Limbaugh puts it).

There have been conservative failures at talk radio for the same reason. Without the right mix of substance and entertainment, a host will fail to get ratings, and with that, be yanked from the air. "Ratings" is a word that appears only once in passing in the Center for American Progress report, because then it would have to acknowledge that conservative radio is successful exactly because it gets listeners.

Broadcasters go where the money is. If a liberal could draw the kind of listeners - and hence the kind of advertising dollars - as Limbaugh, he too would be on more than 600 stations. This is why Spanish-language radio is such a growth commodity. Not because broadcasters have an agenda to Hispanicize America, or because there's a structural imbalance that favors Spanish-language over German- or French-language programming, but because there's an audience for it.

The Center for American Progress wants to short-circuit the market. Having bureaucrats determine whether radio stations are serving the public interest is inherently dangerous. There are times - like now, in the debate about the immigration bill - when Democrats and Republicans in Washington will agree that conservative talk radio isn't serving the public interest because it brings to the table sentiment that the establishment prefers to ignore.

The report avoids directly calling for a renewal of the constitutionally dubious Fairness Doctrine that mandated equal time for conservative and liberal opinions, although some Democratic lawmakers aren't so circumspect. After five years of opposing most assertions of government power to fight terrorism, these liberals are ready to wield it to fight conservative talk radio. After maintaining that the First Amendment protects nude dancing, they are ready to argue that it doesn't quite apply to people broadcasting conservative views over the airwaves.

In our toxic contemporary politics, it's a sign of success if you drive your opponents batty. Rush Limbaugh might be a structural imbalance, but his critics appear simply imbalanced.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/0626200...s_in_the_talent_opedcolumnists_rich_lowry.htm
 
Oh yes it was in the article, my bad.
It is simply amazing how we existed for all those years with the fairness doctrine in place....If it had still been in place we might not have invaded Iraq.
 
If you have to ask I will not waste time trying to explain it to ya.

I do have to ask because I have no idea how you claim the fairness doctrine would stop us going into Iraq. Are you claiming we invaded Iraq because of talk radio?
 
I do have to ask because I have no idea how you claim the fairness doctrine would stop us going into Iraq. Are you claiming we invaded Iraq because of talk radio?

Cawacko, I know this is difficult for someone of your ideology, but did you happen to note the absence of dissenting opinions in the media, during the run up to the Iraqi war? Phil Donahue being cancelled by MSNBC, for one thing, and later we come to find out, and see, the internal memo stating why? And it had nothing to do with his ratings, his show was performing.

You really didn't notice the near complete lack of dissenting opinions then?
 
Cawacko, I know this is difficult for someone of your ideology, but did you happen to note the absence of dissenting opinions in the media, during the run up to the Iraqi war? Phil Donahue being cancelled by MSNBC, for one thing, and later we come to find out, and see, the internal memo stating why? And it had nothing to do with his ratings, his show was performing.

You really didn't notice the near complete lack of dissenting opinions then?
Oh please. You look to the least performing news sources and blame it on them? See B.S. was still out there, ABC, NBC, etc. We can watch BBC, and a myriad of other stations as well. Dissenting opinion wasn't scarce unless you ignored it. I heard constant reports of wait and see from Blix, and from many Ds in government. I even saw the first barely occupied protests.

It was there. It was just that the opinion of the nation was pretty much for it at the time.
 
Oh please. You look to the least performing news sources and blame it on them? See B.S. was still out there, ABC, NBC, etc. We can watch BBC, and a myriad of other stations as well. Dissenting opinion wasn't scarce unless you ignored it. I heard constant reports of wait and see from Blix, and from many Ds in government. I even saw the first barely occupied protests.

It was there. It was just that the opinion of the nation was pretty much for it at the time.

CBS, you mean the station where Dan Rather got on tv and stated "this is my president, and he jsut needs to tell me where to line up"?

Sure BBC was there, but how many Americans watch BBC? What anti war opinions were there? Where were they?
 
Cawacko, I know this is difficult for someone of your ideology, but did you happen to note the absence of dissenting opinions in the media, during the run up to the Iraqi war? Phil Donahue being cancelled by MSNBC, for one thing, and later we come to find out, and see, the internal memo stating why? And it had nothing to do with his ratings, his show was performing.

You really didn't notice the near complete lack of dissenting opinions then?

I read plenty of dissenting opinion in San Franicsco before the Iraq War and I attended two anti-Iraq War rallies which received plenty of local attention. I don't watch the network news or cable news so I have no idea what they said.

I remember people reporting on the events leading up to the Iraq War but I don't remember any media cheerleading for it. I don't believe any "fairness doctrine" or more anti-war talk from the left would have changed what happened.
 
I don't think the issue is really the fairness doctrine, per se.

A more ominous issue is media consolidation. Only a few companies own most of the radio stations.
 
CBS, you mean the station where Dan Rather got on tv and stated "this is my president, and he jsut needs to tell me where to line up"?

Sure BBC was there, but how many Americans watch BBC? What anti war opinions were there? Where were they?
The same Dan Rather than pretended he had information during an election that wasn't real? He certainly wasn't on the side of the President in everything now was he?

However, they did report on Blix saying he needed more time, they did report on the protests, they weren't ignoring the other side. I'm supposed to just forget those reports because you say they weren't there? It ain't going to happen.

Nor will I forget the false memos or other indicators of where Danny boy's politics lie, or such indicators of which way the lean of the station went.
 
Darla... but at that time, the majority of Americans were for it. The stations pander to what the public wants to hear. They gave up reporting news a long time ago.... all they care about is ratings. Which is why conservative talk radio does well... they get ratings.
 
I read plenty of dissenting opinion in San Franicsco before the Iraq War and I attended two anti-Iraq War rallies which received plenty of local attention. I don't watch the network news or cable news so I have no idea what they said.

I remember people reporting on the events leading up to the Iraq War but I don't remember any media cheerleading for it. I don't believe any "fairness doctrine" or more anti-war talk from the left would have changed what happened.

well since you did not watch any media news you would not know about the media cheerleading then. you just explained it to yourself.
 
I read plenty of dissenting opinion in San Franicsco before the Iraq War and I attended two anti-Iraq War rallies which received plenty of local attention. I don't watch the network news or cable news so I have no idea what they said.

I remember people reporting on the events leading up to the Iraq War but I don't remember any media cheerleading for it. I don't believe any "fairness doctrine" or more anti-war talk from the left would have changed what happened.
They even counted here in Denver. The editorials in the Denver Post were almost 100% against it, and they used the numbers at the protests as "evidence" of the national support. There were some 20 more anti-war protestors than there were supporters on the other side of the street! Woot! That means the nation is against this action... blah...
 
I read plenty of dissenting opinion in San Franicsco before the Iraq War and I attended two anti-Iraq War rallies which received plenty of local attention. I don't watch the network news or cable news so I have no idea what they said.

I remember people reporting on the events leading up to the Iraq War but I don't remember any media cheerleading for it. I don't believe any "fairness doctrine" or more anti-war talk from the left would have changed what happened.

Yes, we had anti-war rallies here too, that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You don't remember any media cheering for it? Is that right. The NY Times was used as Cheney's personal penis, and he fucked the whole country with it. You don't recall? Cheney planted stories in the NY Times, making front page news (often, but not always through Judy Miller), sourced to "unamed senior adminstration officials" and then went onto Meet the Press and said "as even the New York Times is reporting". do you understand that? Do you get what that means? His planted stories were later debunked, after we started the war, and the NY times had to issue an apolgy for its pre-war coverage. The NY times was a pro-war paper at the time, but you probably never knew that.

Anti-war talk from the left? Since every single claim in the Powell speech to the UN, since every single claim of this administration has been debunked or not panned out, it would not hav ebeen the "anti war left". It would have been PEOPLE OF SANE MINDS.
 
I agree with cypress. This is more about media consolidation. There needs to be stiffer laws against letting too few own too much of the message.
 
They even counted here in Denver. The editorials in the Denver Post were almost 100% against it, and they used the numbers at the protests as "evidence" of the national support. There were some 20 more anti-war protestors than there were supporters on the other side of the street! Woot! That means the nation is against this action... blah...

Here in NY, where the most influential newspaper in the country resides, we had The Ny Times, Newsday, The NY Post, and the Daily news, all for it.

It's great that the Denver post was against it Damo, but nobody gives a crap what is in the Denver Post, and the above the fold stories in the Denver post are not repeated on all of the news channels, both local and cable, across the nation. The stories in the Ny times, are.
 
I read plenty of dissenting opinion in San Franicsco before the Iraq War and I attended two anti-Iraq War rallies which received plenty of local attention. I don't watch the network news or cable news so I have no idea what they said.

I remember people reporting on the events leading up to the Iraq War but I don't remember any media cheerleading for it. I don't believe any "fairness doctrine" or more anti-war talk from the left would have changed what happened.


Where have you been cawacko? Hanging out on Drudge?

Most media organizations in the country have issued mea culpas for not asking enough questions about the lead up to the war, and for getting caught up in a post-9/11 patriotic fervor. NY Times, Wash Post, Dan Rather....all issued mea culpas.

You know who got it right? Knight-Ridder News Service. They were awesome. They had a lot of stuff questioning the alleged reasons for war. Unfortuantely, Knight-Ridder papers are published only in smaller cities...not in DC or New York.
 
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