Federal Reserve Board Comes Clean

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With so many people in the US in complete denial about how close the financial system came to complete collapse, this release of documents provides sombre and belated evidence of the true nature of the banking crisis.

ALEX BRUMMER: New York Fed comes clean

By Alex Brummer, City Editor
Last updated at 10:07 PM on 3rd December 2010

Amid all the hype around the fat WikiLeaks drop over the last week, an official cache of papers released by the Federal Reserve Board almost went unnoticed.

Yet in many ways this treasure trove provides the best insight into the severity of the post-Lehman financial collapse that we have seen.
The US central bank is behaving with the degree of transparency required in a modern society.

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Fed papers: This treasure trove provides the best insight into the severity of the post-Lehman financial collapse that we have seen, says Alex Brummer

This is in stark contrast to the ridiculously secretive Financial Services Authority which is treating the PwC report into the failings of the Royal Bank of Scotland as if it were vital to the nation's security.

The most remarked on aspect of the Fed release so far has been the support for Britain's Barclays and RBS, both of which qualified because of their US operations.

But a real eye opener is the extent to which Goldman Sachs - with its claims of a vast liquidity buffer - was propped up by the Fed. On no less than 84 occasions, with a laser like focus on the best deal, it turned to the Fed for emergency cash. One can imagine the relief when Warren Buffett was eventually persuaded to buy-in with a $10billion lifeline. Less surprising perhaps is that its weaker rival Morgan Stanley needed Fed money on 212 occasions.

What all of this tells us is that the collapse in the share prices of these two Wall Street titans, which went on to pay out record breaking bonuses to staff in 2009, was not simply a case of bad nerves. It reflects how close they may have come to joining Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers on the scrapheap.

But if you thought it was just the banking sector which was close to the brink, think again. While the White House was dishing out $700billion of loans through the Tarp (Troubled Asset Relief Programme) the Fed was digging far deeper doling out $3,300billion in direct loans.

The recipients included General Electric and the telecoms group Verizon. What may be more alarming to investors is the disclosure that two of the world's largest fund management groups Black Rock (an outgrowth of Merrill Lynch) and Fidelity also required temporary bail-outs.

What might have happened to the American financial system, and as importantly the savings of tens of millions of people if this emergency funding had not been provided by the New York Fed (then under the leadership of now treasury secretary, Tim Geithner) does not bear thinking about.

Remarkably, even after this humiliation the investment banks, like Goldman, are still strutting their stuff saying the crisis had little to do with their behaviour. Such a re-writing of history is self-delusion on a grand scale.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/ar...R-New-York-Fed-comes-clean.html#ixzz17BugoUze
 
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The NY Fed will never come clean... When an honest president sends in the army youll see them burning all their paperwork.. and thatll be about it.
 
the banking sector interests me, however, it seems you need to study it a great deal before being able to make an even feeble informed opinion on the matter, given numerous factors, such as historical banking failures in england, us....etc...

this is an interesting take....be curious what you guys think:


Would letting the banks fail have led to economic collapse? Nope: just look at Iceland

Reading the British press, you might have the impression that Iceland has collapsed: collapsed, that is, as in dole queues and riots, if not quite as in Mad Max. In fact, Reykjavík feels prosperous and jolly in the unwonted 24-hour sunshine. Bars are heaving, restaurants have improved beyond recognition, houses boast new hot tubs, land cruisers are parked on every street.

Now it’s true that the effects of poverty are cumulative. A financial crisis doesn’t mean that creditors rip up the infrastructure and cart it off; but it could mean that people stop buying new land cruisers. It is conceivable, I suppose, that, decades from now, Reykjavík will be a kind of northern Havana, with locals still driving around in their antique 2008 four-by-fours. But I don’t think so.

A banking collapse wipes out paper fortunes; but it doesn’t wipe out hard assets. The króna has lost 60 per cent of its value, and Iceland has slithered down the global wealth tables accordingly. But the sheep are still lambing, the aluminium is still being smelted, the tourists are still wallowing in the Blue Lagoon, the trawlermen are still returning with their rich catches (richer than ever, apparently, as the seas warm).

Virtual wealth has evaporated; but, in the real world, surprisingly little has changed. After two decades of phenomenal growth, there has been a correction, and Icelanders are now living like Danes rather than like Kuwaitis. Their situation remains enviable by almost any standard.

There are lessons for us in all this. I was one of a tiny number of commentators who opposed the bail-outs in Britain. It seemed to me outrageous for taxpayers to rescue some very wealthy men from the consequences of their errors. Ever since, sophisticated people have been telling me that, if I had had my way, the entire banking system might have collapsed.

I’m far from convinced that they’re right. But what if they are? To see the consequence of a banking collapse, look at Iceland, which was in no position to rescue its bankers. Life there is better than in most EU states. Once the assets of the failed banks have been sold to satisfy depositors, including British and Dutch depositors, Iceland will be left with a smaller national debt than most of the countries which stepped in to guarantee their banks’ liabilities. Growth can then begin again on a more sober basis. In Britain, by contrast, Gordon Brown attempted to reinflate the bubble, with calamitous consequences (see here).

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...collapse-not-if-iceland-is-anything-to-go-by/
 
The NY Fed will never come clean... When an honest president sends in the army youll see them burning all their paperwork.. and thatll be about it.

Here is a quote from the article, which is just amazing when you think how many people try to push the blame onto Obama.

But if you thought it was just the banking sector which was close to the brink, think again. While the White House was dishing out $700billion of loans through the Tarp (Troubled Asset Relief Programme) the Fed was digging far deeper doling out $3,300billion in direct loans.
 
the banking sector interests me, however, it seems you need to study it a great deal before being able to make an even feeble informed opinion on the matter, given numerous factors, such as historical banking failures in england, us....etc...

this is an interesting take....be curious what you guys think:



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...collapse-not-if-iceland-is-anything-to-go-by/

Bear in mind who Daniel Hannan is and his political 'outlook' on the world.

Also, Iceland is hardly the winter wonderland that Mr Hannan claims it to be, unless the economy suddenly got worse a month later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10963517
 
Bear in mind who Daniel Hannan is and his political 'outlook' on the world.

Also, Iceland is hardly the winter wonderland that Mr Hannan claims it to be, unless the economy suddenly got worse a month later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10963517

They still have cod, the EU's Common Fishing Policy has totally fucked our fishing industry. Edward Heath has a lot to answer for, he was so determined to get us into the EU that he sold the fishing industry down the river and the North Sea, come to that!
 
They still have cod, the EU's Common Fishing Policy has totally fucked our fishing industry. Edward Heath has a lot to answer for, he was so determined to get us into the EU that he sold the fishing industry down the river and the North Sea, come to that!

Come now, Tom.

Sure we gave away control of our borders, allowed European Law to usurp domestic law, handed control of our farming and fisheries policy to some chaps in Brussels with a jacuzzi in their office we have paid for, contribute billions of pounds to Ireland and Greece to upgrade their infrastructure only to see their economies crash and have to fork out more cash in order to prop up their failing states but how pretty does that little star look on the European flag?

And we have straighter bananas than ever before. You can't argue with that.
 
the banking sector interests me, however, it seems you need to study it a great deal before being able to make an even feeble informed opinion on the matter, given numerous factors, such as historical banking failures in england, us....etc...

this is an interesting take....be curious what you guys think:



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...collapse-not-if-iceland-is-anything-to-go-by/

The Japanese economy fell apart as they waited 8 years until after the crises to bailt out their banks, and by then it was too late.
 
fair enough...but isn't that pure ad hom?

your link is a good point....and i can't find anything more current

Just pointing out that a man with an axe to grind against Gordon Browns and his bail out of the banks (which the conservative party would have done as well even if Mr Hannan would have opposed it) may not be painting an entirely truthful picture of Iceland.

If i posted a piece about how the head of the British Communist Party (although i'm not sure they are still going) would have handled the situation i wouldn't expect it to go without some questioning.
 
In everything.

Controversial human rights legislation (which i'm generally in favour of) is usually founded on the European Convention on Human Rights, which is a separate entity from the EU and EU Law.

Yeah you're right. O_o

I should know this. The european court of human rights is completely and totally separate from the EU.
 
Come now, Tom.

Sure we gave away control of our borders, allowed European Law to usurp domestic law, handed control of our farming and fisheries policy to some chaps in Brussels with a jacuzzi in their office we have paid for, contribute billions of pounds to Ireland and Greece to upgrade their infrastructure only to see their economies crash and have to fork out more cash in order to prop up their failing states but how pretty does that little star look on the European flag?

And we have straighter bananas than ever before. You can't argue with that.

Clinton bullied the EU to let in so called dollar bananas and companies like Chiquita and Dole have virtually wiped out the Caribbean islands smaller and better tasting varieties. As to your other point, yes they are straighter now, but I was more than happy with the bent version. It makes me laugh when the US starts whinging about globalisation when they were the main instigators of the process in the first place.

I am betting that you don't think Nigel Lafarge is quite so extreme now?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,38423-3,00.html
 
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Just pointing out that a man with an axe to grind against Gordon Browns and his bail out of the banks (which the conservative party would have done as well even if Mr Hannan would have opposed it) may not be painting an entirely truthful picture of Iceland.

If i posted a piece about how the head of the British Communist Party (although i'm not sure they are still going) would have handled the situation i wouldn't expect it to go without some questioning.

ok....so other than your link....is his article all wrong? what specifically is he wrong about?
 
ok....so other than your link....is his article all wrong? what specifically is he wrong about?

Well, his whole article is a speculative piece about what may have happened if the banks had not been bailed out.

He can't really prove anything he said is true because the banks were bailed out and i can't prove what he said is bollocks because the banks were bailed out.

Perhaps a better question might be to ask Mr Hannan to prove that a worldwide banking collapse would have been a good thing for Iceland and the rest of the world.
 
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