Scott
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I just finished watching the following video and I thought it was quite good:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5Oy7Q7alI&ab_channel=MarcusWerner
I think the comment that comes up first is quite good too.
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The issue you're talking about is actually more in line with the message of Dune. You see Asimov original wrote the Foundation as the good guys. No matter what morally questionnable or grey actions they comitted, their end goal is still the greater good, and usually it is achieved, even with some obstacles. Frank Herbert got inspired by this and subverted it, asking the quesiton 'what if future predictions to control all of humanity by an all powerful organisation are a bad idea'. Thus the foundation was replaced with the Bene Gesserit, who are working to breed a mind so powerful it can make predictions basically bordering on future vision (yes, that's actually Paul's power in the books, they don't see the real future, just probabilities so likely that it's basically indistinguishable from the real deal). And just like the Mule in Foundation who skews their entire plan, Paul skews the entire plan of the Bene Gesserit. But whereas the Mule is an antagonist in Foundation, ruining their plans, Paul is the protagonist, acting as a vehicle of change. In the end, the world of Dune doesn't change for the better though, because Paul and his son both basically just usurp the bene gesserits plan and shape the universe to their whims based on their future vision. But the key difference being Paul's son, does it with self awareness, wanting to breed an individual who will be invisible to future vision. Basically a personality and genome so erratic that no algorithm or complex mental calculations can predict their moves. They created their own Mule. Because to know the future, is to be trapped by it. Foundation is a story of control and order. Dune is a story of chaos and liberation. Both involve blood and and death.
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As can be imagined, I'm a big fan of the Dune series, having read all 6 of Frank Herbert's original books and even some of his son's continuation of the series, as well as the Dune films and new TV series.
I think the comment that comes up first is quite good too.
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The issue you're talking about is actually more in line with the message of Dune. You see Asimov original wrote the Foundation as the good guys. No matter what morally questionnable or grey actions they comitted, their end goal is still the greater good, and usually it is achieved, even with some obstacles. Frank Herbert got inspired by this and subverted it, asking the quesiton 'what if future predictions to control all of humanity by an all powerful organisation are a bad idea'. Thus the foundation was replaced with the Bene Gesserit, who are working to breed a mind so powerful it can make predictions basically bordering on future vision (yes, that's actually Paul's power in the books, they don't see the real future, just probabilities so likely that it's basically indistinguishable from the real deal). And just like the Mule in Foundation who skews their entire plan, Paul skews the entire plan of the Bene Gesserit. But whereas the Mule is an antagonist in Foundation, ruining their plans, Paul is the protagonist, acting as a vehicle of change. In the end, the world of Dune doesn't change for the better though, because Paul and his son both basically just usurp the bene gesserits plan and shape the universe to their whims based on their future vision. But the key difference being Paul's son, does it with self awareness, wanting to breed an individual who will be invisible to future vision. Basically a personality and genome so erratic that no algorithm or complex mental calculations can predict their moves. They created their own Mule. Because to know the future, is to be trapped by it. Foundation is a story of control and order. Dune is a story of chaos and liberation. Both involve blood and and death.
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As can be imagined, I'm a big fan of the Dune series, having read all 6 of Frank Herbert's original books and even some of his son's continuation of the series, as well as the Dune films and new TV series.