Global Warming Farce

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Dixie - In Memoriam

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Okay, I know I will catch some heat for this, but hey... what's new? right?

I don't believe that man is causing the current warming cycle. I realize there is all kinds of scientific evidence to suggest this, but there is also evidence that is largely ignored. For instance, the emission of so-called 'greenhouse gasses' was going on to a much greater degree between 1940 and 1970, yet during this period, the same scientists who say we are overheating the planet now, were talking about how we were heading for the next Ice Age back then. Some will try to present the argument, that we have just had the warmest year on record, but they fail to mention the long period of time before accurate records were kept, where it was just as warm. The medieval warming period was far worse. The truth is, the Earth goes through warming and cooling cycles, and it always has.

Another thing that disturbs me, is how some people think the answer to all our problems lies in alternative fuels. I have often supported research into alt fuels, and I think it is a good idea to help us become less dependent on foreign oil, but I don't fool myself into thinking there is some miracle fuel that will "save the planet" if we can just get everyone on board. Every alternative has some disadvantage, and it's a fact we should just accept.

Take the Hydrogen Car... Seems like a great and wonderful solution on paper... A car that runs on manufactured hydrogen, and emits H2O. Great, right? No more harmful pollution! But has anyone thought about the ramifications of 20-30-50 years of pumping H2O into the atmosphere? In a century, will people be debating the impending crisis of turning our planet into an aquarium? Will there be widespread flooding because of this? If every vehicle on the planet is producing water that wasn't being produced before, what do you think is going to happen? Sure, it evaporates, but where does it go? ...That's right... we don't get rid of it.

The solution to the problems lie in people changing behaviors. Unfortunately, we will never do that until it's too late.
 
we went over this already on the "other" site....

Global warming, in short, can cause an eventual ice age to certain regions....

but regardless, the only way to believe this bull that global warming is not excellerated by us is to just IGNORE the science before you and common sense for that matter... :D

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Care4all said:
we went over this already on the "other" site....

Global warming, in short, can cause an eventual ice age to certain regions....

but regardless, the only way to believe this bull that global warming is not excellerated by us is to just IGNORE the science before you and common sense for that matter... :D

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What "other" site? ...Oh, you mean The Kingdom of SiR? How's life going in the Dictatorship?

Yes, I understand what the pinheads say about Global Warming, ironically, causing an Ice Age. There was no talk of Global Warming in the 1950's and 60's, when we were dumping billions of cubic tons of pollution into our atmosphere, only talk of an impending Ice Age that we had no control over, and were destined to see in the future. During the much hotter medieval warming cycle, there were no cars or fossil fuels being burned. Mankind was not even around during the original Ice Age, so they simply couldn't have caused it to happen. And there was nothing man was doing in the late 1700's, when we experienced the mini-ice age, or the year without a summer.

Simply put, all the Global Warming talk is a bunch of hooey, perpetrated by pinhead scientists who think they are always right. If mankind is doing something to alter the climate of the planet, it's not going to matter anyway, because we absolutely refuse to change our behavior.
 
yet during this period, the same scientists who say we are overheating the planet now, were talking about how we were heading for the next Ice Age back then.

Already covered ad naseum on FP.com

1) There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s. There is now.
2) We have 40 years of data and studies since the 1970s. Better data, more of it, and better science.
3) Global warming could affect ocean currents, causing severe cooling in localized places on the planet.
 
Dixie said:
Simply put, all the Global Warming talk is a bunch of hooey, perpetrated by pinhead scientists who think they are always right. If mankind is doing something to alter the climate of the planet, it's not going to matter anyway, because we absolutely refuse to change our behavior.
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You are a christian right?

Ergo, Even if it is "hooey" God gave mankind dominion over the world, not carte blanche... Dominion denotes responsibility towards as well as leadership over. It is not responsible to pollute, etc.. At least take your responsibility seriously and take as good of care over the part you walk on/drive on/live in/swim in/... you get the drift.... as you possibly can.
 
Cypress said:
yet during this period, the same scientists who say we are overheating the planet now, were talking about how we were heading for the next Ice Age back then.

Already covered ad naseum on FP.com

1) There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s. There is now.
2) We have 40 years of data and studies since the 1970s. Better data, more of it, and better science.
3) Global warming could affect ocean currents, causing severe cooling in localized places on the planet.
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1. There is no scientific consensus on anything except that the planet is getting warmer. There are various theories on why that is.

2. We have 40 years of data from before 1970 which shows much greater emissions of 'greenhouse gas' with the relative same amount or less warming of the planet.

3. No shit, Sherlock?
 
It is not responsible to pollute, etc.. At least take your responsibility seriously and take as good of care over the part you walk on/drive on/live in/swim in/... you get the drift.... as you possibly can.

I agree completely. I am all for doing whatever we can to live cleaner lives and not pollute the planet, I just don't buy into the whole 'global warming is caused by man' thing. I think it's cyclical, and nothing we are doing is causing what is happening to our climate, or will prevent things from happening in the future. This place has been here for billions of years, and it's gone through quite a few cycles of warming and cooling, and I don't think humans have had a thing to do with it... even WITH our newfangled science that is so much better today.
 
maineman said:
even to the point of causing an ICE AGE!
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Its basic physics.

Ocean currents are simply heat-tranference mechanisms.

Some scientists believe that global warming could shut down the gulf stream. the gulf stream is what keeps the tempertures in northwestern europe and easter north america temperate.

Recall, that Scotland is at the same latitude as Siberia.
 
Cypress said:
Its basic physics.

Ocean currents are simply heat-tranference mechanisms.

Some scientists believe that global warming could shut down the gulf stream. the gulf stream is what keeps the tempertures in northwestern europe and easter north america temperate.

Recall, that Scotland is at the same latitude as Siberia.
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Let's be clear, I am not disputing that this might be possible, I am disputing the myth that humans are the cause of it. I think it's a natural cycle of the Earth, and there ain't a whole helluva lot we can do about it, one way or the other.
 
the point being...Dixie makes all sorts of noise about scientists previously predicting an ice age and now predicting global warming as if those two events are mutually exclusive. He is a moron even if he is ignoring me ;)
 
maineman said:
the point being...Dixie makes all sorts of noise about scientists previously predicting an ice age and now predicting global warming as if those two events are mutually exclusive. He is a moron even if he is ignoring me ;)
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No, localized regional cooling, is theoretically not mutually exclusive with global warming.

And the alleged "ice age" hypothsis of the 1970s, was just that - a hypothesis speculated at by some scientists. Its not comparable to a broadly held global consesus based on 40 years of study and data, like global warming today.
 
Its not comparable to a broadly held global consesus based on 40 years of study and data, like global warming today.

Repeat: We have 40 years of data from before 1970 which shows much greater emissions of 'greenhouse gas' with the relative same amount or less warming of the planet.
 
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I'm not going to waste my time debating science with a scientifically-illiterate theocrat.

Dixie, your crediblity in debating science is nil. You have previously expressed the opinion that evolutionary processes cannot possibly result in the propagation of entirely new species of animals.

That says it all. You have no credibility on any thread dealing with science.
 
Cypress said:
I'm not going to waste my time debating science with a scientifically-illiterate theocrat.

Dixie, your crediblity in debating science is nil. You have previously expressed the opinion that evolutionary processes cannot possibly result in the propagation of entirely new species of animals.

That says it all. You have no credibility on any thread dealing with science.
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Unless you consider creationism science :cof1:
 
So dixie, you just randomly make claimes without any cites and expect us to trust you?
 
Jarod said:
So dixie, you just randomly make claimes without any cites and expect us to trust you?
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I figured you had enough common sense to realize, before the 1972 Clean Air Act, and all the environmental concerns, from the start of the Industrial Revolution, our emissions of pollution were much higher than they've been the past 40 years. I don't think I need any "claimes" or "cites" to back that up, it's pretty elementary, isn't it? If you want to look up the info on the medieval warming period, be my guest. It was a cycle, just like the mini-ice age in the late 1700's. We had an entire year, where the average temps were considerably lower than any we've ever known. It is believed to have been caused by a volcanic eruption, and it took about 30 years for the planet to recover fully. Shit happens! The Earth goes through cycles of warming because of solar flares, and periods of cooling because of catastrophic natural events. Man has little or no effect on this, and if we did, we would have already destroyed the planet years ago.

There is nothing "theocratic" about my viewpoint on this, that is a strawman thrown out by someone who can't find a way to dispute what I have said. If you want my "theocratic" take on it, the World will end when God wants it to, and there ain't much you pinheads can do to stop it. That might be tomorrow, it might be in 50 million years, no one knows.
 
vehicle miles travelled have tripled in America since the passage of the clean air act.... regardless of the marginal increases in fuel efficiencies, the vehicle caused pollution in America has skyrocketed.... and throughout the world, automotive use and oil consumption has skyrocketed as well.... as always, Dixie does not comprehend the larger issues... and over-simplifies to fit his simple brain.
 
Dixie said:
I figured you had enough common sense to realize, before the 1972 Clean Air Act, and all the environmental concerns, from the start of the Industrial Revolution, our emissions of pollution were much higher than they've been the past 40 years. I don't think I need any "claimes" or "cites" to back that up, it's pretty elementary, isn't it? If you want to look up the info on the medieval warming period, be my guest. It was a cycle, just like the mini-ice age in the late 1700's. We had an entire year, where the average temps were considerably lower than any we've ever known. It is believed to have been caused by a volcanic eruption, and it took about 30 years for the planet to recover fully. Shit happens! The Earth goes through cycles of warming because of solar flares, and periods of cooling because of catastrophic natural events. Man has little or no effect on this, and if we did, we would have already destroyed the planet years ago.

There is nothing "theocratic" about my viewpoint on this, that is a strawman thrown out by someone who can't find a way to dispute what I have said. If you want my "theocratic" take on it, the World will end when God wants it to, and there ain't much you pinheads can do to stop it. That might be tomorrow, it might be in 50 million years, no one knows.
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When you say "our pollution" are you meaning the US or the world... B/C I belive world pollution to be worse than ever over the past 40 years... not better then previously.
 
Jarod said:
When you say "our pollution" are you meaning the US or the world... B/C I belive world pollution to be worse than ever over the past 40 years... not better then previously.
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Absolutely, especially now that the economies of China and India are really heating up. We ain't seen nothin' yet.
 
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