WOW .. you can't just make shit like this up.
Tom Smith, GOP Senate Candidate: Pregnancy From Rape Similar To 'Having A Baby Out Of Wedlock'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html
Unreal. These guys are totally clueless, aren't they?
No they are mainstreaming rape. And it's working. YOu can see it on this board.
First you delegitimize some rape. If she's beaten badly and left for dead, you can't compare that to date rape.
See?
Where is this going? To where it used to be; you better be badly beaten and show that you put up a big enough fight that you'd rather die than lose your honor. And you should be a virgin.
Or, let me put it this way:
BILL NAPOLI: "A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."
She needs to be a religious virgin saving her virginity for marriage.
Otherwise the bitch wanted it. This is how it used to be, this is what they are trying to bring us back to. Dont think we can't go there. Just read Tom's posts and the men defending him.
No they are mainstreaming rape. And it's working. YOu can see it on this board.
First you delegitimize some rape. If she's beaten badly and left for dead, you can't compare that to date rape.
See?
Where is this going? To where it used to be; you better be badly beaten and show that you put up a big enough fight that you'd rather die than lose your honor. And you should be a virgin.
Or, let me put it this way:
BILL NAPOLI: "A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."
She needs to be a religious virgin saving her virginity for marriage.
Otherwise the bitch wanted it. This is how it used to be, this is what they are trying to bring us back to. Dont think we can't go there. Just read Tom's posts and the men defending him.
No they are mainstreaming rape. And it's working. YOu can see it on this board.
First you delegitimize some rape. If she's beaten badly and left for dead, you can't compare that to date rape.
See?
Where is this going? To where it used to be; you better be badly beaten and show that you put up a big enough fight that you'd rather die than lose your honor. And you should be a virgin.
Or, let me put it this way:
BILL NAPOLI: "A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."
She needs to be a religious virgin saving her virginity for marriage.
Otherwise the bitch wanted it. This is how it used to be, this is what they are trying to bring us back to. Dont think we can't go there. Just read Tom's posts and the men defending him.
Darla, I am not trying to start shit, but do you not see degrees of horror involved in almost any crime? That does not mean the one that is less horrible is condoned. Rape is always wrong, but sometimes it is more brutal than other times. I don't think that means I am apologizing for any rapist. Nor do I think that I am saying she wanted it.
Seriously, I am too exhausted, and disheartened now.
I can't do this anymore tonight and I think I"ve had it for a while.
Look up the history of rape and how rape was dismissed. It's not like other crimes.
Sometimes I feel so despondent for women, and other times I look at polls and I realize, fuck it, we are goign to kick the shit out of all of you.
I wonder if you will learn then?
Rape is rape. I don't think we need to be parsing it. - President Obama.
And why I'm voting for him. WIth every post you and that bag of shit Sf and Gatorman make, I am happier to vote for him.
It's come to this; a man getting that is significant enough now that it says something really decent about him.
I'll tell you why I am so focused on this. My first wife was abused as a child. Not just mild stuff, but horrible, vicious sexual assaults. Like many victims of this sort of abuse, she buried the memories until she was almost 30 and had been in a secure, loving relationship for years.
One of her treatments (I think saved her life) involved joining a group and participating in groups sessions. The therapist was careful to make sure everyone understood that they were all abused, and none was worse than any other. My wife showed improvement for several months, and then began to be more despondent and less enthusiastic about the group. Since I am male, she had difficulty discussing the issues with me. But I learned that she was mainly despondent because she wasn't making the progress that the other women were. She thought something was wrong with her because she hadn't moved on to other steps in the healing process.
The problem was not with her. While the other women were healing from being fondled as a child, my wife was still remembering more and more. Her earliest memory involved being raped, sodomized, and burned with cigarettes against a stone wall in the basement of her childhood home. The problem is, that wall collapsed when she was no more than 5 years old. Her last memory of being abused was from when she was in middle school. She endured at least 10 years of sick, vile and violent abuse. And now she was being told there are no degrees of abuse. The woman who was fondled twice by a neighborhood boy had faced the same abuse my wife had?
It took a lot of therapy to get her to see her situation was not like everyone else's. That does not mean that the abuse of the other woman was not wrong, disgusting and perverted. But the depth of the scars and the horrors she faced should never have been minimalized.
I am not talking about calling date rape something other than rape. I am not talking about letting men off the hook for what they do. I am talking about minimalizing a woman who may have been disfigured, rendered sterile, spent weeks in a hospital from the injuries she suffered and even been left for dead. Yes, the women who were raped when they were asleep are victims of rape. And the men who did it should pay the same price as any rapist. But the women who went thru violent, life-threatening gang rapes should not be told their horrors are the same as a woman who woke up with a dick inside her.
Its not about the crime, it is about the victim.
Alright let me take this one last one before I go, because I think it's important that I answer this, for my ownself.
Let me blunt: I don't give a shit, and how dare you.
You don't know my experiences or the experience of any woman on this board.
You are dismissing the long history of rape in our culture being dismissed as not rape because the woman was not badly beaten, along with the untold damage that did to women over the decades. Or how many survived it.
Everyone reacts differently to trauma. It is for that reason that trauma cannot be quantified. No woman has to be made to feel badly about her experience so that your wife can feel better about hers.
Believe me her problem was never that other women's rapes were being given too much gravitas. How seriously strange for you to suggest that it was.
How dare I? And yet, you somehow proclaim what she felt and why? Nice.
See, I am not downplaying anyone's experience. But to suggest that a woman who was beaten and gangraped went thru the same thing as a woman who woke up with a dick inside her is to ignore the consequences of the violence.
Says who? You?
Unreal. These guys are totally clueless, aren't they?
How dare I? And yet, you somehow proclaim what she felt and why? Nice.
See, I am not downplaying anyone's experience. But to suggest that a woman who was beaten and gangraped went thru the same thing as a woman who woke up with a dick inside her is to ignore the consequences of the violence.
I am not claiming what she felt. Since forcible was JUST ONLY dropped from the FBI's definition of rape, and your story takes place over many years in HISTORY, it is not possible that any of her problems were due to dropping that word so that the FBI could now compile rape statistics which include drugged rape and male rape among other things. Simply not possible.
But I will state that no woman's problems ever stemmed from the rapes of other women being taken too seriously. Absolutely. It is twisted to even imply otherwise.
Your nice little bullshit leaves out the women who killed themselves over the years because their rape wasn't really rape rape.
I typed those words, yes. I also am basing my opinion on real life experiences with the consequences of sexual molestation and the healing (or lack thereof) of the victim.
That's all well and good, but regardless of your own molestation experience, you are not qualified to determine the degree of trauma someone else experiences.