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The Almighty
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ding-for-aspirin-as-drug-supply-dries-up.html
Gee... can we please please please be more like Europe?
Gee... can we please please please be more like Europe?
Government run healthcare... a Greek tragedy.
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apple0154
MEOW
(Excerpt) Greece has mandated lower drug prices in the past year. That has fed a secondary market, drug manufacturers contend, as wholesalers sell their shipments outside the country at higher prices than they can get within Greece. (End)
I didn't have to read very far to see the greed and corruption. It never fails.
Of course, countries like Canada and Australia and England and France and Norway and Sweden and Italy and Germany and .....they have plenty of aspirin. The problem with Greece is corruption. People are not paying their taxes. It's as simple as that and the solution is just as simple.
There are laws against theft and grand theft. If a person is caught falsifying their taxes they should be charged with theft. I bet a charge or two of grand theft and a sentence of 5 years prison would go a long way to solving the problem.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Hmmm can't discuss health care reform on the facts? Have to trot out xenophobia?
You're pissing up a rope. health care reform is inevitable. Our system is a failed system that costs far to much and achieves rediculously poor outcomes. Healthcare reform is a when not an if. You might as well as rail against the sun shining as against health care reform. We cannot afford to spend 18 to 20% of GDP on health care while achieving third world outcomes. The American people are not going to tolerate it forever. Oh granted financial institutions and insurance companies who have a vested interest in the status quo will fight this tooth claw and nail as it will substantially impace their profits. I'm not over concerned about that as they are protecting their own financial interest and not protecting my interest at all.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I'd think twice about that if I was you. All modern industrial nations except the US have reformed their health care systems to include universal coverage, a single payer system and cost controls. The first part of that, universal coverage, may attract you but the second two reforms should give you pause to think. There are two models, essentially for a single payer system, public financing and private financing. With public financing your investment would be toast. With public financing all modern nations (excepting the US) who have reformed and included private insurance mandate that these insurance companies operate as non-profit organizations.
That's what will happen here eventually to. Either we will adopt a publically run system akin to Canada or the UK or, more likely, a private system like Japan or France in wich private health insurance companies are mandated to operate as non-profits under a single payer system.
Is it Bizzaro world, am I getting investment advice from a lefty troll?
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The Almighty
xenophobia? WTF are you rambling about now? I am talking about their FAILED GOVERNMENT RUN SYSTEM.
Yes, reform is inevitable. Health care costs are far too high relative to what they should be. Your problem is that you think the solution is for the government to run the system. That does not reform the system. It simply adds more bureaucracy to it. Health care costs will continue to soar unless you address the root causes of the increases.
Yes, it costs too much. But saying it achieves poor outcomes is ridiculous. We have one of the best health care systems in the world in terms of actual CARE.
Seriously... are you just a parrot or do you ever think for yourself? This is the same type of crap you global warming fear mongers do. You create these insane little straw men for you to beat upon. I have proposed health care reform ideas. I am all for reforming the current system. What you brain dead parrots need to understand is that a government take over of the sector is not the only option. It is simply the option YOU want, because YOU like being under the government boot. YOU want them to control your life so that you don't have to be responsible.
Oh look, more claptrap from the parrot. Yes, the American people want reform. We all agree about that. The current system is on an uneconomically viable path.
The government is not trying to protect your interest. They are trying to gain control over you in yet another aspect of your life. That is what you are fighting for. You are not fighting for actual REFORM.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
LOL You forget. I come from a family of physicians. When it comes to this topic you'd be wise to study how other nations, who have reformed their health care services have implemented those changes. If you use the current US model you could have a problem. With health care reform there will be substantial changes to the market so using current market conditions is not a good premise to base an investment on. IMHO.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
You can get help for your paranoia but unfortunately you'll probably have to pay out of pocket as under the current system #1. you're probably not covered and #2 there are to many of us here who will vouch that it's a pre-existing condition.
Dude, you're pointing out one example of a small nations corruption as failure on a grand scale? That's just laughable.
You need to go study the actual facts. All the industrialized nations on this planet, not just Greece and not just Europe, have modernized their system to include the three reforms I listed. ALL OF THEM. All of them spend around half of GDP on health care that we do, they cover all their citizens and they all achieve higher health care out comes then the US does. Those are hard cold facts that contradict your emotional and factless rant.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Fascism:
We are getting there, don't worry and superpacs are paving the way! Money, oops, I mean, corporations are people. We o t secretly bribe our politicians, anymore, it is very public, called campaign donations.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
What's truly laughable is you've pointed out to SF TWO TIMES NOW that it is but one example of a small nation's corruption, but he still refuses to even listen.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
"As part of an effort to cut its own costs, Greece has mandated lower drug prices in the past year. That has fed a secondary market, drug manufacturers contend, as wholesalers sell their shipments outside the country at higher prices than they can get within Greece."
Oh..so now corporate greed is the fault of the Government?
Seems to me if the drug manufacturer's CEO's weren't greedy self-centered fat cats, there would be no shortage...but you go right on tyring to blame the Government for a Privte Corporation taking advantage of the sick.
Our government spends about twice as much as a percentage of GDP than Greece (and more than twice as much per capita) and Greece has universal healthcare. The Greek government covers everyone for half of what the US government pays to not cover everyone. And this was before the severe budget cuts. (I don't have recent data). Think about that.
What is happening in Greece has to do with the fact that it has stupidly slashed its budget, including it's healthcare budget. Think about what Medicare would look like if it's budget were cut by 75%. That's what Greece is dealing with.
What is happening in Greece has to do with the fact that it has stupidly slashed its budget, including it's healthcare budget. Think about what Medicare would look like if it's budget were cut by 75%. That's what Greece is dealing with.
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I am seriously baffled as to why anyone would use the particular case of Greece to prove the general case of healthcare provision?
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
I am sure you are fine with sitting around and watching the children of the poor die from lack of medical care, as you sit in your rich house and laugh sadistically. Then, you will come back and demand that these poor provide you with money to protect your house, provide you with money to protect your nation. How fucking ungreatful. The entitlement mentality in this nation is sickening. No, if you're fine with Americans not getting healthcare, I'm fine with your property getting stolen. If you won't protect your fellow Americans from one set of disasters, why do they have any responsibility to protect you from another? You have forfeited all social privileges by being such a shitty fucking human being. And if Canada wants to come in and conquer your house, so be it. I don't give a fuck. You abandon Americans, we abandon you.
Wow, great post.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
or result in a violent revolt.
Bfgrn
New member
Yea, let's compare Greece to the United States of America...Greece's economy is same size as Dallas-Fort Worth's
From the article:
Austerity measures imposed to address the financial crisis may paradoxically be making matters worse.
From the article:
Austerity measures imposed to address the financial crisis may paradoxically be making matters worse.