Guilty of murder. All three charges!

Hopefully this sent a warning to cops and this was a tipping point that cops don't get off murdering people anymore
 
This is the end of the beginning. Still the beginning. We still have a long way to go. But there should have not been any question about what this was, and yet here we are. And now we're going to hear how horrible this decision was.
 
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Concart said:
This is the end of the beginning. Still the beginning. We still have a long way to go. But there should have not been any question about what this was, and yet here we are. And now we're going to hear how horrible this decision was.
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Chauvin committed murder. I thought that through the whole trial.
 
BidenPresident said:
Chauvin committed murder. I thought that through the whole trial.
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It was on tape. A murder on tape. Thank God a jury figured it out. As for the reaction of the right on this one? Let them scream and yell and shout. They are shrinking away. The rest of us will now take this and hopefully go to work on the system that caused this to happen in the first place.
 
Concart said:
It was on tape. A murder on tape. Thank God a jury figured it out. As for the reaction of the right on this one? Let them scream and yell and shout. They are shrinking away. The rest of us will now take this and hopefully go to work on the system that caused this to happen in the first place.
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Concart said:
It was on tape. A murder on tape. Thank God a jury figured it out. As for the reaction of the right on this one? Let them scream and yell and shout. They are shrinking away. The rest of us will now take this and hopefully go to work on the system that caused this to happen in the first place.
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Just spit balling here but there's two reasons I think we won't see major changes. The first is when crime picks up people become afraid and we pass tougher crime legislation. The other is the tribalism and partisanship, and even you referenced the right and left here as if each 'side' can only see things one way.

I would throw out how many people have heard of Tony Timpa? He was killed by the police in Dallas in 2016 the same as George Floyd. Yet no national media attention, no protests etc. The reason why? He was white. Just my opinion but if we really want reform there needs to be more buy in from people across the political spectrum and with the way its done now we don't get that.
 
cawacko said:
Just spit balling here but there's two reasons I think we won't see major changes. The first is when crime picks up people become afraid and we pass tougher crime legislation. The other is the tribalism and partisanship, and even you referenced the right and left here as if each 'side' can only see things one way.

I would throw out how many people have heard of Tony Timpa? He was killed by the police in Dallas in 2016 the same as George Floyd. Yet no national media attention, no protests etc. The reason why? He was white. Just my opinion but if we really want reform there needs to be more buy in from people across the political spectrum and with the way its done now we don't get that.
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Playing the white victim card!Great timing dipshit.
 
cawacko said:
Just spit balling here but there's two reasons I think we won't see major changes. The first is when crime picks up people become afraid and we pass tougher crime legislation. The other is the tribalism and partisanship, and even you referenced the right and left here as if each 'side' can only see things one way.

I would throw out how many people have heard of Tony Timpa? He was killed by the police in Dallas in 2016 the same as George Floyd. Yet no national media attention, no protests etc. The reason why? He was white. Just my opinion but if we really want reform there needs to be more buy in from people across the political spectrum and with the way its done now we don't get that.
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There is more consensus than most think about the need for police reform in general.

I haven't loved a lot of the national dialogue on the entire topic, but one thing that is starting to be talked about more is the concept of policing in general. What do they need to protect people from, and what level of force is needed? Can we start mailing out fines instead of creating confrontation over things like expired registrations and traffic offenses?

The entire way we approach law enforcement needs to be changed, and the relationship of police to the communities they serve. This, to me, is a very healthy conversation - and one where there is much agreement between the left & right.

Can politicians take that consensus and arrive at common sense solutions? There is a mandate to do so. We can only hope.
 
BartenderElite said:
There is more consensus than most think about the need for police reform in general.

I haven't loved a lot of the national dialogue on the entire topic, but one thing that is starting to be talked about more is the concept of policing in general. What do they need to protect people from, and what level of force is needed? Can we start mailing out fines instead of creating confrontation over things like expired registrations and traffic offenses?

The entire way we approach law enforcement needs to be changed, and the relationship of police to the communities they serve. This, to me, is a very healthy conversation - and one where there is much agreement between the left & right.

Can politicians take that consensus and arrive at common sense solutions? There is a mandate to do so. We can only hope.
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If you are called on an allegation of a $20 bill, murdering the suspect is wrong. Three counts wrong.
 
BartenderElite said:
There is more consensus than most think about the need for police reform in general.

I haven't loved a lot of the national dialogue on the entire topic, but one thing that is starting to be talked about more is the concept of policing in general. What do they need to protect people from, and what level of force is needed? Can we start mailing out fines instead of creating confrontation over things like expired registrations and traffic offenses?

The entire way we approach law enforcement needs to be changed, and the relationship of police to the communities they serve. This, to me, is a very healthy conversation - and one where there is much agreement between the left & right.

Can politicians take that consensus and arrive at common sense solutions? There is a mandate to do so. We can only hope.
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Maybe I'm naïve here but getting true reform is far less likely to occur, imo, when it is framed simply as right vs left. And maybe I'm naive that anything bi-partisan can happen these days. But to me, for real reform and improvement there has to be bigger buy in and a whole story told. The current way we tell the story doesn't produce that.
 
cawacko said:
Maybe I'm naïve here but getting true reform is far less likely to occur, imo, when it is framed simply as right vs left. And maybe I'm naive that anything bi-partisan can happen these days. But to me, for real reform and improvement there has to be bigger buy in and a whole story told. The current way we tell the story doesn't produce that.
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Your comments are very vague, is that deliberate?
 
BartenderElite said:
Essentially, I'd agree w/ that. I didn't think there was enough for a murder charge, but I also don't think it's egregious given the circumstances.
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We don't need to rehearse all the testimony here. But Chauvin had many warnings and chances to get off Floyd. The hand in the pocket was damning.
 
cawacko said:
Maybe I'm naïve here but getting true reform is far less likely to occur, imo, when it is framed simply as right vs left. And maybe I'm naive that anything bi-partisan can happen these days. But to me, for real reform and improvement there has to be bigger buy in and a whole story told. The current way we tell the story doesn't produce that.
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The hyper-partisan nature of every issue is a great tragedy. We're really missing so much of what we all agree on - not just w/ this issue, but with things like the environment and education.

Personally, I blame the CNN's & Fox's. They perpetuate the illusion of division at this level. We're divided, and we disagree, but that's always been the case. We used to be able to find a place in the middle & create positive change. It's not in me to give up on that idea.
 
katzgar said:
Hopefully this sent a warning to cops and this was a tipping point that cops don't get off murdering people anymore
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What it means is that it’s time for Biden to get off the fence and get behind SERIOUS police reform.

That’s what it better mean.
 
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