HAMAS, FATAH< and the split.

doniston

doniston

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When The British gave up the area to st up the Palasinian,/Israeli State. the UN devised a plan of setting aside certain areas to be Arab and Jew ---- Isreal agreed, but Palastine did not. It is small wonder.

Have you seen the proposed map?

Gasa was separtated from the west Bank by southern Israel and the main Part, together with a sliver of a path between the two with Golon heights, and another portion (just south of Lebanon) also separated from the others. Now,

HAMAS has control of Gaza, and Fatah has control of the West Bank. And they complain that they are dvided. OK, a question: How would anyone suppose separate and physically devided areas could come together as one national entity? It would be like combining Arizona and Florida, and Rhode Island (the capital) and calling them a state.
 
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How would anyone suppose separate and physically devided areas could come together as one national entity?

The United States and it's administrative territories are not geographically or physically contiguous: Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, Saipan, Virgin Islands.
 
Your point is taken though.

The problem with the proposals for a palestinian state (from the palestinian perspective) is that, while the offers sound good on paper, they do no allow an economically or geographically viable palestinian state to Exist.

While giving "95%" of the west bank back to the palestinians sounds good on paper, the devil is in the details. The israeli-US proposals allowed reentrants and embayments of israeli-controlled lands in the west bank, and the jewish settlements, that would effectively cut off lines of communication and transportation for the palestinians. The israelis also wanted to keep the most productive west bank land in terms of agriculture and water. What was left for the palestinians was not considered economically viable. The transporation routes, and productive agriculutural lands would either be controlled by israel, or logistically cut off from one another.

And, as you suggest, that doesn't even address the gaza problem.
 
Cypress said:
How would anyone suppose separate and physically devided areas could come together as one national entity?

The United States and it's administrative territories are not geographically or physically contiguous: Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, Saipan, Virgin Islands.
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Hey, who says we get along with the rest of you 48ers?

You don't even show our weather!
 
Cypress said:
How would anyone suppose separate and physically devided areas could come together as one national entity?

The United States and it's administrative territories are not geographically or physically contiguous: Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, Saipan, Virgin Islands.
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trure, but I was referring to nations or states being separated by other nations or states. (Well that's sorta true regarding Alaska.)

But on the original note, George Wllls, on "This Week" seems to agreed with me by saying that it appears that the two-state (nation) approach won't work, it would now take three.
 
Have any of you noticed that Bush seems to have decided that the only Palastine is the West Bank, and Gaza no longer exists. He has proclaimed ABBAS, as the true President of Palasitne. and has reved up his position in that situation since Hamas took command of GAZA I wonder if the People of Gaza agree with him? I don't thiNk so

I honestly beleive this is just a prelude to his deciding to completely ignore Gaza and simply let Israel destroy it. (If they can get away with it)
 
Well....

doniston said:
Have any of you noticed that Bush seems to have decided that the only Palastine is the West Bank, and Gaza no longer exists. He has proclaimed ABBAS, as the true President of Palasitne. and has reved up his position in that situation since Hamas took command of GAZA I wonder if the People of Gaza agree with him? I don't thiNk so

I honestly beleive this is just a prelude to his deciding to completely ignore Gaza and simply let Israel destroy it. (If they can get away with it)
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If you are going to bash GW just for the sake of argument at least pick your topic logically....'Hamas' is a radical terrorist/religious group(tied to Iran)...dedicated to wiping out y'all's secular form of government...'Abbas' is a secular moderate leader and the one who should be supported by all involved in the Palestinian conflict! Now if you were a Israel citizen would you want Hamas controlling the high ground for more rocket attacks...or would you want to be a Palestinian citizen who will reap the counter attack by Israel...I think not...like USC says in his sig line..."Think"
 
Diplomats fear US wants to arm Fatah for 'war on Hamas'
From Stephen Farrell in Jerusalem

AMERICAN proposals to strengthen Mahmoud Abbas’s Palestinian security forces with additional guns and fighters have alarmed other Western nations, who argue that it is tantamount to supporting one faction in a potential civil war.

Fearing the strength of Hamas in Gaza, some US officials have urged that the moderate President Abbas should be given “deterrent capability” so that his Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority forces can confront the Islamist group if talks on a national unity government fail.

The divisions have led to a stand-off over the past month, with US officials saying that the unity government proposal had “no legs”. Other members of the “quartet” of international mediators — made up of the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia — say that it should be given a chance instead of arming one of the Palestinian factions.

Proposals raised at meetings in London and Cairo include doubling the size of Mr Abbas’s presidential guard and persuading Israel to allow thousands of rifles into Gaza to alleviate its chronic shortage of weapons relative to Hamas.

Fatah officials have asked for more than 1,000 reinforcements from the Palestine Liberation Organisation’s Badr Brigades, in exile in Jordan.

One Western official said that non-American quartet members emerged from one meeting convinced that the US wanted President Abbas to dismiss the Hamas Government, and to use his security forces to “confront Hamas politically and militarily, having confronted it economically”.

“There was effectively a stand-off. As far as we are concerned, what the Americans are proposing to do is back one side in an emerging civil war,” said a western official familiar with the discussions.

Opponents argued that the international community had accepted the participation of Hamas in elections and should therefore look to support a national unity government. Hamas won elections last January but instantly became international pariahs. Sanctions and an aid freeze have left the Palestinian Government broke and unable to pay 160,000 civil servant salaries.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article640747.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World

Hamas won elections last January but instantly became international pariahs.
 
All I can say is....

this has always been the case...the Crusades of the 'Ottoman Empire' is a continuing fight/saga...however when played out to the end I for one prefer a Christian/Secular world vs a Radical Islamic one...so they being 'Hamas' are 'parasites' that need to be illiminiated...whether thru boycotts or Crusaders....Which side would you rather have win USC????
 
Battleborne said:
If you are going to bash GW just for the sake of argument at least pick your topic logically....'Hamas' is a radical terrorist/religious group(tied to Iran)...dedicated to wiping out y'all's secular form of government...'Abbas' is a secular moderate leader and the one who should be supported by all involved in the Palestinian conflict! Now if you were a Israel citizen would you want Hamas controlling the high ground for more rocket attacks...or would you want to be a Palestinian citizen who will reap the counter attack by Israel...I think not...like USC says in his sig line..."Think"
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Touche' LOGIC Hamas is not on the west bank or golon Hieghts. it is on the low lands of the Gaza Strip. Your arguement lost a spoke.
 
Must I spank you...

doniston said:
Touche' LOGIC Hamas is not on the west bank or golon Hieghts. it is on the low lands of the Gaza Strip. Your arguement lost a spoke.
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Donny!...Read the entire post before 'shouting' nonsense...I was discussing Hamas and its 'attempt' to take over the entire region as was cited in the "Lebanon" comment...alas Hamas/Iran does have plans for the entire region including Golan Heights,Gaza,West Bank,East Bank et al***sigh***:rolleyes:
 
uscitizen said:
I don't think who "wins" in Lebanon is really any of my business, it is their country.
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If we would keep our nose out, I would agree, but we won't. Besides, this thread is about the two Palastines, not about Lebanon.
 
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alas Hamas/Iran does have plans for the entire region including Golan Heights,Gaza,West Bank,East Bank et al***sigh***

And so does Israel....

There is the rub.
 
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