Health care debate: higher death rates for uninsured

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Here are the results of a quick search I did through MSNBC. I read the top article there last week.

Hospital reports shows higher death rate for uninsured - Sacramento ...
Updated December. 1, 2009

Related News. Proposed MD-owned hospital in Campbell in tough fight; Most Calif. hospitals ... Patients who pay their own tab at California hospitals are 80 percent more likely to ...
http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/11/24/daily40.html

Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate - RXAccess 4U
Updated November. 22, 2009

Home » Blog » Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate; Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate. Does having insurance and therefore access to healthcare have an impact on how long ...
http://www.rxaccess4u.com/index.cfm/blog/uninsured-linked-to-higher-death-rate/

Uninsured Have Higher Rates of Stroke, Death
Updated November. 28, 2009

: A lack of health insurance among US residents is associated with increased rates of stroke and death, a new study shows.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555051

Medi-Cal Beneficiaries, Uninsured Have Higher Hospital Death Rates ...
Updated November. 15, 2009

A report by California's Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development found that people with private health insurance coverage are far less likely to die during hospital ...
http://www.californiahealthline.org/Articles/2008/12/1/Uninsured-MediCal-Benefic...
 
Thorn said:
Here are the results of a quick search I did through MSNBC. I read the top article there last week.

Hospital reports shows higher death rate for uninsured - Sacramento ...
Updated December. 1, 2009

Related News. Proposed MD-owned hospital in Campbell in tough fight; Most Calif. hospitals ... Patients who pay their own tab at California hospitals are 80 percent more likely to ...
http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/11/24/daily40.html

Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate - RXAccess 4U
Updated November. 22, 2009

Home » Blog » Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate; Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate. Does having insurance and therefore access to healthcare have an impact on how long ...
http://www.rxaccess4u.com/index.cfm/blog/uninsured-linked-to-higher-death-rate/

Uninsured Have Higher Rates of Stroke, Death
Updated November. 28, 2009

: A lack of health insurance among US residents is associated with increased rates of stroke and death, a new study shows.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555051

Medi-Cal Beneficiaries, Uninsured Have Higher Hospital Death Rates ...
Updated November. 15, 2009

A report by California's Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development found that people with private health insurance coverage are far less likely to die during hospital ...
http://www.californiahealthline.org/Articles/2008/12/1/Uninsured-MediCal-Benefic...
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Highest number of people that die in airplane crashes have no pilots license....
 
bravo said:
Highest number of people that die in airplane crashes have no pilots license....
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I'm not sure what that analogy signifies other than that you haven't read any of the links or the threads that led to this one. This is one of those instances where reading the link actually would have made its rationale clear.

Earlier this week there was some rather heated discourse by a poster who maintained that everyone in this country receives medical treatment whether or not they can pay for it. The presumption, indeed the implication, was that the same extent of treatments and the same quality of care were available regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Those presumptions are refuted in the articles for which links were provided above.

The same poster maintained as rubbish that the highest incidences of personal bankruptcy are attributable to medical costs, among people who actually had medical insurance. Just today, the MSNBC site presented an article in their health section that not only refuted that assertion, but gave a series of details of individuals' experiences as examples. I didn't provide that link but it is easily located on the site.
 
Thorn said:
I'm not sure what that analogy signifies other than that you haven't read any of the links or the threads that led to this one. This is one of those instances where reading the link actually would have made its rationale clear.

Earlier this week there was some rather heated discourse by a poster who maintained that everyone in this country receives medical treatment whether or not they can pay for it. The presumption, indeed the implication, was that the same extent of treatments and the same quality of care were available regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Those presumptions are refuted in the articles for which links were provided above.

The same poster maintained as rubbish that the highest incidences of personal bankruptcy are attributable to medical costs, among people who actually had medical insurance. Just today, the MSNBC site presented an article in their health section that not only refuted that assertion, but gave a series of details of individuals' experiences as examples. I didn't provide that link but it is easily located on the site.
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Bravo could care less what the facts are. He just wants to yell "Socialism!" while he keeps turning his watch nob counter clockwise in an attempt to get back to 1898.
 
Thorn said:
I'm not sure what that analogy signifies other than that you haven't read any of the links or the threads that led to this one. This is one of those instances where reading the link actually would have made its rationale clear.

Earlier this week there was some rather heated discourse by a poster who maintained that everyone in this country receives medical treatment whether or not they can pay for it. The presumption, indeed the implication, was that the same extent of treatments and the same quality of care were available regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Those presumptions are refuted in the articles for which links were provided above.

The same poster maintained as rubbish that the highest incidences of personal bankruptcy are attributable to medical costs, among people who actually had medical insurance. Just today, the MSNBC site presented an article in their health section that not only refuted that assertion, but gave a series of details of individuals' experiences as examples. I didn't provide that link but it is easily located on the site.
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The analogy signifies the fact that WHERE one dies and the fact they DO or DO NOT have health insurance need not be relevant...its spin pure and simple.....
There are about 122,000 unintentional injury deaths in the US every year...these deaths could easily be part of those stats in order to spin the desired results....where insurance is not a factor in the least....

The GW hoax proves how easy it is to con the sheeple ....
 
bravo said:
The analogy signifies the fact that WHERE one dies and the fact they DO or DO NOT have health insurance need not be relevant...its spin pure and simple.....
There are about 122,000 unintentional injury deaths in the US every year...these deaths could easily be part of those stats in order to spin the desired results....where insurance is not a factor in the least....

The GW hoax proves how easy it is to con the sheeple ....
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Yeah, the spin is mind-boggling. Even some of those who do have insurance will not go to the doctor for health problems because of their loathing and fear of them.
 
Thorn said:
Here are the results of a quick search I did through MSNBC. I read the top article there last week.

Hospital reports shows higher death rate for uninsured - Sacramento ...
Updated December. 1, 2009

Related News. Proposed MD-owned hospital in Campbell in tough fight; Most Calif. hospitals ... Patients who pay their own tab at California hospitals are 80 percent more likely to ...
http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/11/24/daily40.html

Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate - RXAccess 4U
Updated November. 22, 2009

Home » Blog » Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate; Uninsured Linked to Higher Death Rate. Does having insurance and therefore access to healthcare have an impact on how long ...
http://www.rxaccess4u.com/index.cfm/blog/uninsured-linked-to-higher-death-rate/

Uninsured Have Higher Rates of Stroke, Death
Updated November. 28, 2009

: A lack of health insurance among US residents is associated with increased rates of stroke and death, a new study shows.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555051

Medi-Cal Beneficiaries, Uninsured Have Higher Hospital Death Rates ...
Updated November. 15, 2009

A report by California's Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development found that people with private health insurance coverage are far less likely to die during hospital ...
http://www.californiahealthline.org/Articles/2008/12/1/Uninsured-MediCal-Benefic...
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Yeah, we went over that. Poor people die younger, I am shocked and sure it has nothing to do with their lifestyle choices.
 
RStringfield said:
Yeah, we went over that. Poor people die younger, I am shocked and sure it has nothing to do with their lifestyle choices.
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I think that lifestyle choices is too simplistic an explanation. Certainly diet and other preventative measures will play a part. The first article seems to have taken that into consideration, though, and dealt with the extent and level of care that the uninsured receive. That's why I stressed in my reply to bravo the importance of reading the article itself before reaching any conclusions about this topic.

Another huge factor almost certainly is that uninsured people fail to seek medical attention until a condition has reached a critical stage, and often that is one that is irreversible. If I recall correctly, that, too was factored into the analysis of the study. What sticks in my mind was the surprise expressed by the investigators themselves at the outcome of their study. Presumably they had anticipated such contributing factors as delay of treatment, etc.
 
Thorn said:
I think that lifestyle choices is too simplistic an explanation. Certainly diet and other preventative measures will play a part. The first article seems to have taken that into consideration, though, and dealt with the extent and level of care that the uninsured receive. That's why I stressed in my reply to bravo the importance of reading the article itself before reaching any conclusions about this topic.

Another huge factor almost certainly is that uninsured people fail to seek medical attention until a condition has reached a critical stage, and often that is one that is irreversible. If I recall correctly, that, too was factored into the analysis of the study. What sticks in my mind was the surprise expressed by the investigators themselves at the outcome of their study. Presumably they had anticipated such contributing factors as delay of treatment, etc.
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Out of the gate... I have not yet read the articles, but I would also reiterate the above. I think a large part is that they do not use preventative care due to costs. This is the part of the process that needs fixing. We dont need to revamp the entire system.

That said, not only for the uninsured, but for the bulk of this country... we need to cut the excuses with our eating and exercise habits. THAT is a huge reason our health costs continue to rise. As you are aware, as our obesity rises... so rises the number of health risks we face.

Nothing in either of the two bills addresses the latter problem.
 
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