So we're getting a decision on the Affordable Care Act on Thursday. Thought I'd make this the official prediction thread. My prediction is that, regardless of the outcome, unless Scalia writes the opinion of the Court, he will either write a concurrence or dissent (depending on the outcome) and will use the broccoli mandate example.
Healthcare Decision Thursday: Prediction Thread
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Mandate cut out. (Ill be happy about that) (Mandate that was origionally proposed by Harry Truman, and fought for by Richard Nixon and Newt Gingrich)
Several small other portions cut out. (Depends on what I might be happy)
Majority of the Bill left intact.
After the November Elections a Public Option will be installed filling the hole left by the mandate.
Several small other portions cut out. (Depends on what I might be happy)
Majority of the Bill left intact.
After the November Elections a Public Option will be installed filling the hole left by the mandate.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I'm guessing overturned, using some bullshit reasoning like in Citizens United.
mandate is righeously dead ( allah be praised), because it relies on a hyperextension interpretation of the Commerce Cllause.
I don't know how much is severable; maybe preconditions,,not even sure about that. While I want universal access, i DON'T want it by hyperextension of the Commerce Clause -use Congressional powers to tax!!
The best thing that could happen is tom trash this, and write a law that relies on enumerated powers.
The ICClause leads to such horrors as Gonzalez v Raich which is the basis to allow Obama 's war on medical marijuana.
I don't know how much is severable; maybe preconditions,,not even sure about that. While I want universal access, i DON'T want it by hyperextension of the Commerce Clause -use Congressional powers to tax!!
The best thing that could happen is tom trash this, and write a law that relies on enumerated powers.
The ICClause leads to such horrors as Gonzalez v Raich which is the basis to allow Obama 's war on medical marijuana.
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Why are you so jazzed about Barack Obama? What has the man done for you?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I predict that corporations will win and the American people will lose.
Even if the SC changes nothing .. corporations win, Americans lose.
If the SC strips out the mandate .. corporations win, Americans lose.
If they overturn the entire law .. corporations win, Americans lose.
Medicare for All is and always has been the best solution from the beginning.
Richard Nixon had a better healthcare plan than Obamacare in 1974.
Even if the SC changes nothing .. corporations win, Americans lose.
If the SC strips out the mandate .. corporations win, Americans lose.
If they overturn the entire law .. corporations win, Americans lose.
Medicare for All is and always has been the best solution from the beginning.
Richard Nixon had a better healthcare plan than Obamacare in 1974.
FDR had a better healthcare plan, too. In fact, there are quite a few presidents that had better healthcare plans, but they all had the same problem.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I agree with you.
The problem their plans had was that they were focused on the American people, not the corporate interest first and foremost .. and none of them had the momentum that Obama had. The American people were demanding it in 2008 .. so much so that even the republicans had to produce a plan of their own.
That sums up the current state of things very well.
As for the healthcare plan, I don't really think it would be a bad thing if it was overturned. I'm of the opinion that it is pretty flawed.
What specifically do you think is flawed about it? I don't think it is by any means perfect, but I think it would be a quite bad if it were overturned in its entirety. If only the mandate were overturned it would be bad, too, but something would have to be done to fix it because health insurance costs would increase substantially or health insurers would go broke.
Because Obama pushed it thru "by all means possible", nevermind the corporate influence", the real deal is he didn't want to be accused of raising taxes.
So he relies on the Commerce Clause, as the mandate, because he doesn't have to cal it a tax.
I warned everyone this is gonna come back and bite them, but no.."pass it now / pass it now" -well when you pass gas, it stinks, and you rid yourself of it by flushing the CRAP down the toilet. This was CRAP legislation, and it deserves flushing.
apple0154
MEOW
Well, it's more like what he's trying to do for the world which includes everyone.
Medical care for US citizens. Getting the troops out of the ME. Turning his attention to renewable resources.
It's refreshing to see the leader of the free world thinking about the world. Doing things to help everyone. Dropping the saber rattling approach. If he has to do something, like get Osama, he does it. He doesn't go on TV shooting off his mouth about how strong he is.
It's his whole approach. I suppose the word "civilized" sums it up best.
^ you deserve a "groan for that one, he did go "shooting of his mouth" about bin Laden,,even made a TV special (surprise - NBC) about it.
Do you know what happened to the Dr. that was a CIA agent that gave us the INTEL?? He's in Pakistani prison.
Getting the troops out of the ME? only when al_sadr, and al _Malaki threatened to put ANY remaing US trops under Iraqi law.
He's done more then enough saber rattleing, in fact he's droning the damn planet.
I could go on, but you're too nice to excoriate.
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
Even if Obama wins reelection, how do you suppose he'll get a public option through the Republican house? Republicans will probably lose a few seats here and there, but there's no way in hell the Democrats are taking it back.
Edit: oh wait...let me guess...executive order?
Cancel 2016.2
The Almighty
Health care costs are already going to increase substantially, with or without Obama care. Obama care just makes sure it is future generations that will pay for the additional debt obamacare will run up, rather than forcing us to pay our own way. Obama care does little to address the reasons behind the consistent cost increases.
The Affordable Care Act reduces federal debt. Without the Affordable Care Act, federal debt will be substantially higher.
Edit: While I concede that it doesn't do much to reduce costs, it does more than nothing, which is the alternative. You focus on improving healthcare for those that have it already while the primary aim of the Affordable Care Act is to ensure access to healthcare for everyone, not simply to improve healthcare for those that have it.
Even if Obama wins reelection, how do you suppose he'll get a public option through the Republican house? Republicans will probably lose a few seats here and there, but there's no way in hell the Democrats are taking it back.
Edit: oh wait...let me guess...executive order?
I dont belive we will have much choice with the mess of laws that will be left after the S.Ct. rules Thursday.