I wnat some1, any1, to tell me, where in the constitution it says they's "a wall of sepration between chuch and state?"
NO IT DOESNT
Stupid dims. the founders made america as a CHRISTIAN STATE, to escape the perscution from atheist-satanic-muslim britan. you guys want us to be jus like britian was
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls.....but I just can't help but showing an ignorant redneck (isn't that term redundant?) just how ignorant he really is.
First. You are correct that the phrase "Wall of seperation between Church and State." does not exist in the US Constitution. This phrase was first coined by Thomas Jefferson when writting a letter to the Danbury Baptist he commented that the combined effect of "The Establishment Clause" and "The Free Exercise Clause" of the First Ammendment to the Bill of Rights was to build an unbreachable wall between Church and State. This phrase does not exist in the US Constitution but in numerous Supreme Court of the United States decisions this phrase has been used by the Justices, in their decisions,to confirm, as Jefferson stated, that this was the intended purpose of our founding fathers of the "Establishment Clause" and the "Free Exercise Clause" of the first ammendment and that my unlearned friend is the origins of the phrase "Seperation of Church and State."
Now, let's discuss your other equally ignorant statement that "the founders made america as a CHRISTIAN STATE".
This comment shows an astonishing ignorance of both American history and our founding fathers. Where did you ever hear such non-sense? Some itenerant preacher from the Tupelo, Mississippi School of Proctology and Faith Healing?
Our founding fathers who wrote the US Constitution were some of the most brilliant scholars, lawyers and civic leaders this nation has ever produced. These men were highly educated, wordly, incredibly well read (Jeffesons personal library was bequethed to our government after his death and was the origin of the US Library of Congress.) men. But how comes they make absolutely no mention of either God or a "Creator" in the US Constitution? Do you think men as brilliant as these were ignorant as to the existence of this institution called Christianity?
Now let's look at our founding fathers. Now if your statement about this nation having been founded as a "Christian" nation were true, then our founding fathers would have been very devout, and probably even millitant, Christians. So let's look at some of them, starting at the top.
George Washington. His own diaries shows he rarely attended church. In his personal letters and conversations he rarely mentions any personal religious affiliations and never mentions the name of "Jesus Christ". Towards the end of his life when asked by an interviewer about his own personal religous beliefs Washington admited he leaned towards Deism and not Christianity.
Ben Franklin. One of the great Philosophs of the age or reason. Was a thourough Deist.
Thomas Paine. Again, a notorious diest. Here's a quote from his famous book "The Age of Reason". "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. and... "It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."
Thomas Jefferson. Here's some of his comments on Christianity.
"Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." -- Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government" (Letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813), and, "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." --letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823.
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
And this document is probably the most damning to this silly notion that our founding fathers intended our government to be based on Christianity.
John Adams wrote in the Official US Treaty of Tripoli of June 7, 1797 that
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.
Even James Madions, probably the most devout Christian of our founding fathers wrote "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
and this just a minute bit of the total evidence that completely discredits your utterly ignorant claim that the founders made our government as a "Christian State".
Try to know what your actually talking about before you say something stupid.
