House passes spending bill, but fails in Senate.

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Tacomaman

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The House passed the Spending Bill with Trump Border Wall money in it, but the procedural vote to actually have a real vote failed on the Senate side. Yes, Pence was a tie-breaker, but the ACTUAL vote requires 60 votes. so, in a sense it failed.

So, how did it pass the House when Pelosi said the votes were not there? If you look at previous WHIP counts, the answer is fairly obvious. A predominant amount of Republican "yes" votes, were from retiring or mid-term losing Republican members that likely would not have voted for it otherwise. Since they are leaving, there was no issue with constituent "backlash" and as such were free to simply "tow the party line". They also knew that the votes were not there on the Senate side, so they had very little to lose.

This isn't rocket surgery folks....:)
 
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So not passing a budget makes you happy? How is $5 billion worth shutting down the Government snowflake? Why are you a moron?
 
Truth Detector said:
So not passing a budget makes you happy? How is $5 billion worth shutting down the Government snowflake? Why are you a moron?
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Typical response from a "blind follower" with nothing to add to the conversation.

The Wall is nothing but campaign fodder Trump fed to the low intelligence crowd who he loves so dearly. In other words, folks like yourself.
 
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So not passing a budget makes you happy? How is $5 billion worth shutting down the Government snowflake? Why are you a moron?
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"truthie" keeps throwing in this five billion as if it is chump change, lets keep in mind, the five billion is to build a Wall which the majority of Americans don't see a need for, and is probably the most antiquated approach to addressing the immigration issue. Might as well spend the Salina, Kansas Little League Organization the five billion, least then some merit would come out of throwing the billion around
 
Tacomaman said:
The House passed the Spending Bill with Trump Border Wall money in it, but the procedural vote to actually have a real vote failed on the Senate side. Yes, Pence was a tie-breaker, but the ACTUAL vote requires 60 votes. so, in a sense it failed.

So, how did it pass the House when Pelosi said the votes were not there? If you look at previous WHIP counts, the answer is fairly obvious. A predominant amount of Republican "yes" votes, were from retiring or mid-term losing Republican members that likely would not have voted for it otherwise. Since they are leaving, there was no issue with constituent "backlash" and as such were free to simply "tow the party line". They also knew that the votes were not there on the Senate side, so they had very little to lose.

This isn't rocket surgery folks....:)
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Hasn't really failed in the Senate. They are attempting to find a way to procedurally introduce the bill thereby accept the House version. From there they can adjust and change figures and allocations anyway they want hoping to reach a compromise

It is all mute if the right wing demagogues don't like the amended version cause Trump won't do anything without their approval
 
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Hasn't really failed in the Senate. They are attempting to find a way to procedurally introduce the bill thereby accept the House version. From there they can adjust and change figures and allocations anyway they want hoping to reach a compromise

It is all mute if the right wing demagogues don't like the amended version cause Trump won't do anything without their approval
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For all intents and purposes, it failed in its present form (which was the pretense of my OP). If the Senate makes ANY changes to the House version, it goes back to the House to be voted on. It is already the House/Senate/House/Senate resolution. You are correct that the House Freedom Caucus (which owns Kevin McCarthy and Trump) may not support it. However, we shall see. Also remember that Trump has already "backed out" of signing one agreed to bill (bowing down to Rush and Co.)- thus making the Republican leadership look even more idiotic that they already do.

The self professed "Great negotiator" had his idiotic wall early this year. All he had to do was agree to DACA - which was what he initially did before once again becoming "spineless" and backing down to the Freedom Caucus and the Right wing media zealots.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Tacomaman,



That's Lame Ducks for ya!
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Very true. Outgoing members can be unpredictable in how they cast votes. If Trump understands that his leverage actually weakens in a couple of weeks, he has a funny way of showing it. For a self-professed "Great Negotiator", he seems to fail a lot at arms length negotiations.
 
archives said:
"truthie" keeps throwing in this five billion as if it is chump change, lets keep in mind, the five billion is to build a Wall which the majority of Americans don't see a need for, and is probably the most antiquated approach to addressing the immigration issue. Might as well spend the Salina, Kansas Little League Organization the five billion, least then some merit would come out of throwing the billion around
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The wall is actually pegged at over 30 billion. With how those things work out it will be much more expensive. However, it is OK because Mexico will pay for it. We can have a 30 or 40 footer, gold colored and with Trumps name every 100 feet.
 
Nordberg said:
The wall is actually pegged at over 30 billion. With how those things work out it will be much more expensive. However, it is OK because Mexico will pay for it. We can have a 30 or 40 footer, gold colored and with Trumps name every 100 feet.
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I think the question is...'how deep will the footers be'?

I don't think ladders are the answer. Shovels are.
 
Nordberg said:
The wall is actually pegged at over 30 billion. With how those things work out it will be much more expensive. However, it is OK because Mexico will pay for it. We can have a 30 or 40 footer, gold colored and with Trumps name every 100 feet.
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I am good with however much it costs. Just cut welfare

It will pay for itself for all the spics that don’t end up here on welfare.
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
The wall is actually pegged at over 30 billion. With how those things work out it will be much more expensive. However, it is OK because Mexico will pay for it. We can have a 30 or 40 footer, gold colored and with Trumps name every 100 feet.
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So we would really be getting 1 fifth of a wall for the 5 billion.

Trump is shutting down the government for one fifth or one sixth of a wall. And that will do WHAT good?
 
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