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Yet ignorant fools like McMoonshi'ite think BDS will do what the Syrians were unable to do.
Yet ignorant fools like McMoonshi'ite think BDS will do what the Syrians were unable to do.
How did 100 Israeli tanks defeat the entire Syrian army?
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Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Looks like a shithole area to me. Syrians are not phillistines, are they?
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T. A. Gardner
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I watched about half that video then stopped. They have a lot of stuff wrong in it.
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Such as, do tell? They state that the Israelis were outnumbered by a factor of 7:1 namely 170 Shot Kal versus 1200 T-55s. The Shot Kals were an Israeli upgrade to British Centurions and were dubbed "The Tank That Saved Israel". Ok so far?
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The Israeli Tank Defense Of The Valley Of Tears
Brezhnev: "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they screamed. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, "Save me!" He demanded we send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."
4 November, 1973
Brezhnev: "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they screamed. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, "Save me!" He demanded we send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."
4 November, 1973
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Wow, that's news to me even Brezhnev was pissed off with them. At least Trump managed to thaw relations with the UAE, although Whether that will last with SloJo is anybody's guess.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
What, exactly?
T. A. Gardner
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Well, it was a bit different from that.
To start with, about a third of the Syrian tanks were newer T-62's not T-55's. Both Russian tanks have a number of serious issues that limit their performance. For example, both have manual transmissions with dry clutches. Couple this with a transmission that's not precision made and driving one of these becomes a massive chore. It wasn't unknown for the driver to keep a small sledgehammer handy to help shift gears...
Reliability was such that many Syrian tanks broke down on the battlefield and were abandoned. Several hundred ended up in Israeli hands. The T-55's were extensively reworked by the Israelis and put into service. The T-62's, even though they were newer and had much more powerful 115mm main gun were never given upgrades and placed in reserve. That's how bad the T-62 turned out to be.
The T-62 in particular had a low rate of fire due to the cramped nature of the vehicle. A typical crew could fire at most 2 or 3 rounds a minute as a result. The T-55 could manage about double that while Israeli tanks could easily get off tripe that number in a minute.
The Syrians had the advantage all their tanks and many other vehicles had infra-red spotlights and vision devices mounted on them, something the Israelis lacked. While these had limited range, it gave the Syrians an advantage at night in tank actions.
One of the units that reinforced the Golan Heights in the south early on was equipped with M51 Isershermans (aka Super Shermans).
The Israelis had dug antitank ditches across their front prior to the war and many of the Syrian tank units piled up on these awaiting engineers to put down bridges to cross. When their tanks came under fire, confusion reigned and a number of Syrian tanks ended up ditching or being abandoned as seen here.
That's a T-62 in the foreground, a T-55 in the background.
Abandoned T-62's and a couple of BTR 152 APC's
Abandoned T-62's Golan Heights 1973
So, the video doesn't really mention that from the Syrian side, in many units confusion reigned as well as the vehicle crews milled around almost aimlessly rather than act in unison moving against the Israelis. Sure, the Israelis were heavily outnumbered but their Arab counterparts proved time and again poorly trained and lacking in good command and control of their units.
Part of that is due to the nature of the Soviet tanks they were using. The driver in the T-62 has to be buttoned up (have his hatch closed) for the turret to rotate. Open the hatch and it won't. This was a safety feature to prevent the turret being rotated and decapitating the driver with the gun. Syrian crews operated buttoned up for the most part. This left them in with poor situational awareness.
Anyway, the video was at best so-so.
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Well, it was a bit different from that.
To start with, about a third of the Syrian tanks were newer T-62's not T-55's. Both Russian tanks have a number of serious issues that limit their performance. For example, both have manual transmissions with dry clutches. Couple this with a transmission that's not precision made and driving one of these becomes a massive chore. It wasn't unknown for the driver to keep a small sledgehammer handy to help shift gears...
Reliability was such that many Syrian tanks broke down on the battlefield and were abandoned. Several hundred ended up in Israeli hands. The T-55's were extensively reworked by the Israelis and put into service. The T-62's, even though they were newer and had much more powerful 115mm main gun were never given upgrades and placed in reserve. That's how bad the T-62 turned out to be.
The T-62 in particular had a low rate of fire due to the cramped nature of the vehicle. A typical crew could fire at most 2 or 3 rounds a minute as a result. The T-55 could manage about double that while Israeli tanks could easily get off tripe that number in a minute.
The Syrians had the advantage all their tanks and many other vehicles had infra-red spotlights and vision devices mounted on them, something the Israelis lacked. While these had limited range, it gave the Syrians an advantage at night in tank actions.
One of the units that reinforced the Golan Heights in the south early on was equipped with M51 Isershermans (aka Super Shermans).
The Israelis had dug antitank ditches across their front prior to the war and many of the Syrian tank units piled up on these awaiting engineers to put down bridges to cross. When their tanks came under fire, confusion reigned and a number of Syrian tanks ended up ditching or being abandoned as seen here.
That's a T-62 in the foreground, a T-55 in the background.
Abandoned T-62's and a couple of BTR 152 APC's
Abandoned T-62's Golan Heights 1973
So, the video doesn't really mention that from the Syrian side, in many units confusion reigned as well as the vehicle crews milled around almost aimlessly rather than act in unison moving against the Israelis. Sure, the Israelis were heavily outnumbered but their Arab counterparts proved time and again poorly trained and lacking in good command and control of their units.
Part of that is due to the nature of the Soviet tanks they were using. The driver in the T-62 has to be buttoned up (have his hatch closed) for the turret to rotate. Open the hatch and it won't. This was a safety feature to prevent the turret being rotated and decapitating the driver with the gun. Syrian crews operated buttoned up for the most part. This left them in with poor situational awareness.
Anyway, the video was at best so-so.
Pretty much all of that was mentioned, especially the Russian infra-red night sights, the tank traps and the Syrian ending up in disarray. Not sure about the T-62 will have to watch again. It was also mentioned that the Israelis were on the point of collapse on the fourth day of fighting when the Syrians suddenly decided to withdraw.
T. A. Gardner
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That was because losses had become prohibitive, and not just among tanks. Israeli artillery and tank fire had also decimated Syrian mechanized infantry units and destroyed whole columns of supply and support vehicles without which the Syrian combat units couldn't continue to move forward. Both the T-55 and T-62 only carry about 40 rounds of ammunition and many surviving vehicles had little or no ammunition left by that point. Of course, the withdrew. They couldn't fight being out of fuel and ammunition.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
I can't read Marinara's posts, but I can say this.
The Arabic people were a pretty intelligent and resourceful race prior to Islam.
Post Islam, however, they've been seriously fucked up.
I would have bet on the Jewish tanks too,
The Arabic people were a pretty intelligent and resourceful race prior to Islam.
Post Islam, however, they've been seriously fucked up.
I would have bet on the Jewish tanks too,