How soon will Donald Trump...

Ross Dolan

Ross Dolan

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...assert that he NEVER promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?"

And...will the pathetic people who defend him in everything he says, defend the idea that he never did say that?

Considering what is going on right now...that has to be the next move.
 
Frank Apisa said:
...assert that he NEVER promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?"

And...will the pathetic people who defend him in everything he says, defend the idea that he never did say that?

Considering what is going on right now...that has to be the next move.
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He can't do that, but he's already claiming that NAFTA has achieved that.

I believe his delusions are worsening.
 
Frank Apisa said:
...assert that he NEVER promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?"

And...will the pathetic people who defend him in everything he says, defend the idea that he never did say that?

Considering what is going on right now...that has to be the next move.
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"Pathetic people?" Pathetic because?????

Actually Trump did say that Mexico would pay for the wall, and according to Trump supporters Mexico is already paying for the wall simply because Trump's new trade deal with Mexico as compared to the old NAFTA deal, saves enough money in our balance of payments with Mexico that it would build the wall many times over in almost any extended period of time. So now it's up to y'all Trump haters to do the math and prove that not to be the case, OK?
 
Robo said:
"Pathetic people?" Pathetic because?????

Actually Trump did say that Mexico would pay for the wall, and according to Trump supporters Mexico is already paying for the wall simply because Trump's new trade deal with Mexico as compared to the old NAFTA deal, saves enough money in our balance of payments with Mexico that it would build the wall many times over in almost any extended period of time. So now it's up to y'all Trump haters to do the math and prove that not to be the case, OK?
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What you have posted is just another right wing lie. The new NAFTA deal is basically the same as the old one with some modifications. There is nothing being saved that would amount to the 25+++ billion needed to build the wall.
 
Althea said:
He can't do that, but he's already claiming that NAFTA has achieved that.

I believe his delusions are worsening.
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And you're gonna present the actual numbers over a period of time to prove that America's balance of payments with Mexico by Trump's new trade deal, compared to the old NAFTA agreement with Mexico aren't saving enough money to build a wall, right? I'll wait!!!!!
 
floridafan said:
What you have posted is just another right wing lie. The new NAFTA deal is basically the same as the old one with some modifications. There is nothing being saved that would amount to the 25+++ billion needed to build the wall.
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Then we'll wait for you to post the actual numbers from a reliable source proving your accusation, OK? When can we expect that to happen?
 
Frank Apisa said:
Oh, he can do that.

And, yes, his delusions are worsening.

So are the delusions of his followers.
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"Delusions" because? You have the numbers to prove he and his followers are delusional, right? When can we expect you to post them for us?

Me thinks your post is just more Trump hate, insults and unfounded leftist accusations, huh?
 
Robo said:
Then we'll wait for you to post the actual numbers from a reliable source proving your accusation, OK? When can we expect that to happen?
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All you have my dear is just another Trump bullshit claim, that he has made up as the 4th or 5th justification for his wall. He said Mexico will pay for it, and the country is waiting.
 
Robo said:
"Pathetic people?" Pathetic because?????
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Because they continue to support this disgusting ignoramus. Thanks for asking...although it shouldn't have been necessary to ask.



Actually Trump did say that Mexico would pay for the wall, and according to Trump supporters Mexico is already paying for the wall simply because Trump's new trade deal with Mexico as compared to the old NAFTA deal, saves enough money in our balance of payments with Mexico that it would build the wall many times over in almost any extended period of time.
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Trump supporters have trouble understand math of the complexity of "in base 10, 2 + 2 = 4."

The "new" trade deal with Mexico will probably end up costing the US rather than have us come out ahead. But in any case, Trump did not say that a new trade deal will (dubiously) pay for the wall...

...he said that "Mexico will pay for the wall."

So now it's up to y'all Trump haters to do the math and prove that not to be the case, OK?
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I do not hate Donald Trump. I doubt I actually hate any other human being.

I detest that he is president of the United States...and I speak of why I detest that...which causes me to point out things about Donald Trump that may sound as though I hate him.
 
Robo said:
"Delusions" because? You have the numbers to prove he and his followers are delusional, right? When can we expect you to post them for us?
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Delusions...because you poor saps are delusional.

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall.

He should be getting Mexico to pay for it...not pretend that Mexico is paying for it.

But...as I suggested...

...soon the abomination will pretend that he never said Mexico will pay for the wall...

...and you loons on the right will agree.
 
Robo said:
"Pathetic people?" Pathetic because?????

Actually Trump did say that Mexico would pay for the wall, and according to Trump supporters Mexico is already paying for the wall simply because Trump's new trade deal with Mexico as compared to the old NAFTA deal, saves enough money in our balance of payments with Mexico that it would build the wall many times over in almost any extended period of time. So now it's up to y'all Trump haters to do the math and prove that not to be the case, OK?
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LINK

then the funds should come from there and not the people

PUT UP THE MONEY YOU SAY EXISTS
 
Robo said:
"Pathetic people?" Pathetic because?????

Actually Trump did say that Mexico would pay for the wall, and according to Trump supporters Mexico is already paying for the wall simply because Trump's new trade deal with Mexico as compared to the old NAFTA deal, saves enough money in our balance of payments with Mexico that it would build the wall many times over in almost any extended period of time. So now it's up to y'all Trump haters to do the math and prove that not to be the case, OK?
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Actually no. It's up to you trumpsters to prove that he's telling the truth
 
floriduhfan said:
What you have posted is just another right wing lie. The new NAFTA deal is basically the same as the old one with some modifications. There is nothing being saved that would amount to the 25+++ billion needed to build the wall.
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Is that so? Let's see your evidence to support that claim, cum gargler.

I'll understand if you have none, of course.
 
floridafan said:
What you have posted is just another right wing lie. The new NAFTA deal is basically the same as the old one with some modifications. There is nothing being saved that would amount to the 25+++ billion needed to build the wall.
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And even if it were true, then why is trump begging Chuck/Nancy for funding?
 
Robo said:
And you're gonna present the actual numbers over a period of time to prove that America's balance of payments with Mexico by Trump's new trade deal, compared to the old NAFTA agreement with Mexico aren't saving enough money to build a wall, right? I'll wait!!!!!
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STOP!!! You're killing me here.
 
floriduhfan said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/business/trump-nafta-usmca-differences.html?module=inline
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That doesn't support your contention, cum gargler. Is that why you didn't cite any of the text from the article?

This is what you claimed:

floriduhfan said:
What you have posted is just another right wing lie. The new NAFTA deal is basically the same as the old one with some modifications. There is nothing being saved that would amount to the 25+++ billion needed to build the wall.
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President Trump got his wish for a significantly revised North American trade deal. After more than a year of intense negotiations, the United States, Canada and Mexico reached an agreement to update the North American Free Trade Agreement, the 1994 pact that governs more than $1.2 trillion worth of trade among the three nations.

Most of the key provisions don’t start until 2020 because leaders from the three countries have to sign it and then Congress and the legislatures in Canada and Mexico have to approve it, a process that is expected to take months.

Here’s a rundown:

  • New name. Goodbye NAFTA. The new deal will be known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA.
  • The goal of the new deal is to have more cars and truck parts made in North America. Starting in 2020, to qualify for zero tariffs, a car or truck must have 75 percent of its components manufactured in Canada, Mexico or the United States, a substantial boost from the current 62.5 percent requirement.
  • There’s also a new rule that a significant percentage of the work done on the car must be completed by workers earning at least $16 an hour, or about three times what the typical Mexican autoworker makes. Starting in 2020, cars and trucks should have at least 30 percent of the work on the vehicle done by workers earning $16 an hour. That gradually moves up to 40 percent for cars by 2023.
  • Canada is giving greater market share to U.S. dairy farmers. U.S. negotiators got a major victory by forcing Canada to eliminate the pricing scheme for what are known as Class 7 dairy products. That means U.S. dairy farmers can probably send a lot more milk protein concentrate, skim milk powder and infant formula to Canada (and those products are relatively easy to transport and store).
  • Trump’s steel tariffs stay in place.
  • The USMCA makes a number of significant upgrades to environmental and labor regulations, especially regarding Mexico. For example, the USMCA stipulates that Mexican trucks that cross the border into the United States must meet higher safety regulations and that Mexican workers must have more ability to organize and form unions. The Trump administration is committed to ensuring these happen — a reason U.S. labor unions are cheering the new rules.
  • Increased intellectual property protections. The new IP chapter is 63 pages and contains more-stringent protections for patents and trademarks, including for biotech, financial services and even domain names. Many business leaders and legal experts believed these updates were necessary given that the original agreement was negotiated 25 years ago.
  • U.S. drug companies will now be able to sell pharmaceuticals in Canada for 10 years before facing generic competition. That’s up from eight years of market protection now.
  • The USMCA stipulates that the three nations will review the agreement after six years. If all parties agree, then the deal will continue for the full 16 year period (with the ability to renew after that for another 16 years).
  • Chapter 11 is eliminated entirely for Canada and mostly for Mexico, except for some key industries such as energy and telecommunications. Chapter 11 gave companies and investors a special process to resolve disputes with one of the governments in NAFTA. The idea was that if investors put a lot of money into a project and then the government changed the rules, there was a clear dispute process — outside the court system — where investors could get their problem resolved. Critics argue that Chapter 11 was mainly used as a way for big corporations to get taxpayer money, but businesses say it was necessary to ensure they weren’t harmed by sudden changes when new governments came into power in Mexico, Canada or the United States. In the end, Chapter 11 is mostly gone, except for a few key industries, such as oil, that lobbied hard to be able to challenge the Mexican government if it changes the rules and tries to nationalize its energy sector again.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/01/us-canada-mexico-just-reached-sweeping-new-nafta-deal-heres-whats-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.346b66432241
 
Frank Apisa said:
...assert that he NEVER promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?"

And...will the pathetic people who defend him in everything he says, defend the idea that he never did say that?

Considering what is going on right now...that has to be the next move.
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Trump is a con man, and his one and only skill is conning people.

Trump is just going to make nebulous statements that he has "other ways" of making Mexico pay. Nebulous promises that cannot be verified, and that he has no intention of following through on.

His base will eat it up.

Smart people know when somebody is over-promising and under-delivering. Rubes and dunces don't figure that out.
 
Mexicans sent home $26.1 billion from January to November 2017, according to figures released Tuesday by the central bank of Mexico. That's the most ever recorded and better than the $24.1 billion sent in 2016 over the same period.

Hell , just put a tax on this .... Mexico pays for the wall .
 
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