I Hate Trump. You Should Too.

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Bingo! And the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel Live proves my point.

So you have no problem with murder.

 

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What "moral standards."

See federal law. See the Bible.

 

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I don't have time to go through every point. Choose one. We'll discuss it. When that's done, choose another, etc.

See irs.gov.

 

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Your demonstrations suck. He is back on.

Nope. He is not.

 

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I apologize for not making myself clear. In post #115, you came up with all sorts of crap.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

But I didn't say what I usually say under such circumstances.

Yes you did. You just did it.

I(n which I ask the poster to pick out the one single point I made that they think is the most wrong. The one they think they are most right about. Tell me what it is and why you think it is wrong. When I crush it, let that stand as an example of everything else you had to say. Even if things worked as you liked, I have no way of knowing what point I made that you think is the most wrong. Or which one you think you are the most right about. Only you can do that. If you refuse to do so, consider this discussion closed.

Burden fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[gfm7175]

To start out, how about you get your numbers right.

To start, how about you stop blaming me for what YOU said. I directly quoted the numbers that YOU provided to me. So, if you're claiming them to be in error, then YOU should take credit for YOUR mistake instead of trying to blame me for it. THAT would be the start of an honest conversation here.

Poor Americans pay around 17% of their income on taxes.

That's the number that you provided to me before.

The amount the wealthy pay in theory is about 28%.

You provided me with a 35% number before. Now you're changing it to 28%.

In reality it is anywhere from 8.2% to 3.4%.

You provided me with a 35% number before, and then a 28% number just above. Now you're claiming somewhere between 3.4% and 8.2% ... You're gonna have to make up your mind about this; you're all over the place.

Try these websites on for size.

No. I'm not going to read through a plethora of uber-leftist tripe-filled sources. They are dismissed on sight. Please form your own arguments.

Next let's say you had $10 dollars. And 17% of that went to taxes. That would leave you with $8.30. There isn't a lot you could buy with that, is there. Now let's say you had 1,000.000 and had that taxed at the same 17%. That would leave you with $830,000. There is quite a lot you could buy with that money.

IOW, the more money that one has, the more things one can buy with it. Makes sense.

Just how wealthy do the wealthy need to be.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's"

 

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To start, how about you stop blaming me for what YOU said. I directly quoted the numbers that YOU provided to me. So, if you're claiming them to be in error, then YOU should take credit for YOUR mistake instead of trying to blame me for it. THAT would be the start of an honest conversation here.

That's the number that you provided to me before.

You provided me with a 35% number before. Now you're changing it to 28%.

You provided me with a 35% number before, and then a 28% number just above. Now you're claiming somewhere between 3.4% and 8.2% ... You're gonna have to make up your mind about this; you're all over the place.

No. I'm not going to read through a plethora of uber-leftist tripe-filled sources. They are dismissed on sight. Please form your own arguments.

IOW, the more money that one has, the more things one can buy with it. Makes sense.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's"

If you bothered to read any of the websites, you will see that their numbers are all over the place. Much depends on what variables they take into account. As for them to be "leftist," you have to be kidding. One of them is from the University of Pennsylvania. It's no wonder Trump said, "Smart people don't like me" and "I love the uneducated." Next, I have Brave Browser. It has an AI search feature that is neither left or right. It backs up everything I showed. Here is one of the things it says when it comes to the IRS figures of anywhere from a 26.0% to nearly 40.4% tax rate.

"Including unrealized capital gains and corporate profits attributed to individual owners. In contrast, official IRS data only taxes realized income, which includes unsold assets. For example, billionaires can borrow against their wealth without selling stock, thus avoiding capital gains taxes altogether." Also, Mark Zuckerberg pays himself a $1.00 base salary. Not much of a salary to be taxed there, is there.

 

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If you bothered to read any of the websites, you will see that their numbers are all over the place. Much depends on what variables they take into account. As for them to be "leftist," you have to be kidding. One of them is from the University of Pennsylvania. It's no wonder Trump said, "Smart people don't like me" and "I love the uneducated." Next, I have Brave Browser. It has an AI search feature that is neither left or right. It backs up everything I showed. Here is one of the things it says when it comes to the IRS figures of anywhere from a 26.0% to nearly 40.4% tax rate.

"Including unrealized capital gains and corporate profits attributed to individual owners. In contrast, official IRS data only taxes realized income, which includes unsold assets. For example, billionaires can borrow against their wealth without selling stock, thus avoiding capital gains taxes altogether." Also, Mark Zuckerberg pays himself a $1.00 base salary. Not much of a salary to be taxed there, is there.

Go access irs.gov.

 

[gfm7175]

If you bothered to read any of the websites, you will see that their numbers are all over the place. Much depends on what variables they take into account.

... because they are all made up guesses... aka meaningless.

As for them to be "leftist," you have to be kidding.

I'm not.

One of them is from the University of Pennsylvania.

Leftist.

It's no wonder Trump said, "Smart people don't like me" and "I love the uneducated."

[provides very short quotes that have been completely spliced and diced from any sort of context in which they were said in order to manipulate the ignorant masses while feeding the leftist delusion that Trump is somehow some sort of stupid & evil person]

Highlight: "Did you hear what Trump said? Did you??? DIDDDD YOUUUUU??!?!?!?!?!"

gfm7175:

Next, I have Brave Browser.

Me too.

It has an AI search feature that is neither left or right.

AI is not God. AI tends to pull false information from leftist sources unless one purposely instructs it to do otherwise. If you simply ask it a question, it will typically spit out a false leftist narrative as a response. It only improves in response-quality upon purposely inputting specific rules for responses at the outset, such as "only use irs.gov as an information source". Even then, it's not God, it's not "all knowing", and it's not meant to outsource one's thinking. It CAN, however, be a good time-saving tool for, say, locating and pulling out specific information from a very long document.

It backs up everything I showed.

It coddles your confirmation bias.

Here is one of the things it says when it comes to the IRS figures of anywhere from a 26.0% to nearly 40.4% tax rate.

"Including unrealized capital gains and corporate profits attributed to individual owners. In contrast, official IRS data only taxes realized income, which includes unsold assets. For example, billionaires can borrow against their wealth without selling stock, thus avoiding capital gains taxes altogether." Also, Mark Zuckerberg pays himself a $1.00 base salary. Not much of a salary to be taxed there, is there.

There are a number of ways to avoid paying certain taxes, and certain people are very good at identifying them and taking advantage of them (legally). You are reminding me of a specific presidential campaign debate moment back in 2016 between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in which Mr. Trump was asked about taking advantage of a certain "tax loophole". Mr. Trump answered the question honestly, admitting that he does take advantage of that particular "tax loophole", but the best part was when he highlighted how Hillary Clinton has been a politician for many decades yet has NOT ever tried to remove that particular "tax loophole" (because her and her wealthy leftist friends also take advantage of that very same "tax loophole"). It very cleverly threw the ball back into her court. IOW, "you've been a career politician for DECADES... why haven't you ever done anything about it?"