If you're over 50, you soon wonder whether you will ever work again?
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Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
This is just how it is. Why can't people just accept that they deserve to die?
Schadenfreude
patriot and widower
Relax people....Obama won't be President forever......
longer than you think or want
If that is what you believe, its no wonder you're worried and upset....
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Relax people....Obama won't be President forever......
But republicans aren't willing to stop the globalization-enabled ruination of our economy either. They love it EVEN MORE. So what will change, mr. laughy-pants?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Is that your favorite site? Thanks for sharing, pudgy bunny.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
stop being so fricking blind. this is the governments intention, to ensure that at a certain point in your life, you're dependent upon government assistance so they can keep big government.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Maybe if you globalist fucks would stop outsourcing all the jobs there would be an actual choice. Doh. Did you think of that, ace?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Please have someone send us a copy of your obituary, following the funeral.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
People dying is funny to you. You need to inspect your sense of morality and human decency. You have neither it seems.
Relax people....Obama won't be President forever......
Eh; if Republicans were so wonderful at creating jobs, they would have laid a foundation for a decade of growth before they left.
Instead, they presided over the worst collapse in decades.
apple0154
MEOW
Perhaps it's time to look at things from a different angle.
The idea behind having a job, or working, was so one would have something to trade with another individual. This idea goes back in history to when food was the usual commodity. There was always a shortage of food. Things like the "spice trade" and the "tea trade" are well known examples of people having a "job" and, thus, having something to trade.
In today's world the lack of a job does not denote a shortage of goods. The past required everyone to work but the invention of machinery and other technology has resulted in one person capable of doing the work of many.
Farming is the obvious example where one individual operating machinery replaces dozens of workers. The same is true in factories. The components of prefabricated homes are built in factories then assembled on site.
From automobiles to appliances the need for everyone to work is no longer present, however, the way our society is structured it has resulted in people doing unnecessary work just so they have a job. Rather than volunteering their time in a hospital, for example, they are compelled to take a paying job serving fast food. They end up doing work that provides little benefit to society, as a whole, and certainly denies the individual any feelings of accomplishment or satisfaction.
Now we come to the interesting part. We know that, today, goods are represented by money. Rather than storing tons of spices or have rooms full of leather goods we put the equivalent in the bank in the form of paper money which brings us to the anti-hoarding laws.
(Excerpt) So Where Do Anti-Hoarding Laws Come In?
These ideas of anti-hoarding legislation may have stemmed from two areas of confusion:
First is from Executive Orders in place dating back to 1939 which Clinton has grouped together under one order, EO #12919 released on June 6, 1994.
The following EOs all fall under EO#12919:
10997--Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private;
10998--Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment;
10999--Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways;
11000......
11051--Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of "National Emergency").
Bottom line? Clinton delegated authority to FEMA to run the show however it sees fit if he declares a national emergency. Who will determine how much food we can have in our house? FEMA. And the amount depends on the needs of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.
EO #11051 covering "economic or financial crisis" certainly would have terrorism implications as well. An emergency does not have to be defined as another Hurricane Hugo or massive Midwestern flooding.
The other area where anti-hoarding confusion might have arisen is state legislation. Most states have chosen to enact their own anti-hoarding laws.
Bottom line, even though federal legislation does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's eyes.
Hawaii As A Specific Example of Anti-Hoarding
For Hawaii, this information will be found in Title 10 under "Public Safety". It is located after legislation on militias, state guard troops, etc. Then you find the jewel... In Hawaii you are considered a "hoarder" if you have more than one week's provisions on hand BUT you have to dig to uncover this information. Here is a specific example:
"HAWAII REVISED STATUTES REVISED 1997, Title 10:
(1) Prevention of *hoarding, waste, etc. To the extent necessary to prevent hoarding, waste, or destruction of materials, supplies, commodities, accommodations, facilities, and services, to effectuate equitable distribution thereof, or to establish priorities therein as the public welfare may require, to investigate, and any other law to the contrary notwithstanding, to regulate or prohibit, by means of licensing, rationing, or otherwise, the storage, transportation, use, possession, maintenance, furnishing, sale, or distribution thereof, and any business or any transaction related thereto."
Again using Hawaii's Titles as an example, any items in excess of what legislation has deemed appropriate to store (in Hawaii's case any amount over 1 week) is subject to forfeiture and may be confiscated, ordered destroyed or may be redistributed for public use. (End)
http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EOs.html
So, we have folks making millions of dollars a year and others collecting rationings in the form of UI and welfare. We have corporations sitting on a surplus of money while people remain unemployed.
I pose the following questions, "Is the shortage which some people are experiencing a result of hoarding by others?" and "If the government has the legal right to intervene, should they?"
The idea behind having a job, or working, was so one would have something to trade with another individual. This idea goes back in history to when food was the usual commodity. There was always a shortage of food. Things like the "spice trade" and the "tea trade" are well known examples of people having a "job" and, thus, having something to trade.
In today's world the lack of a job does not denote a shortage of goods. The past required everyone to work but the invention of machinery and other technology has resulted in one person capable of doing the work of many.
Farming is the obvious example where one individual operating machinery replaces dozens of workers. The same is true in factories. The components of prefabricated homes are built in factories then assembled on site.
From automobiles to appliances the need for everyone to work is no longer present, however, the way our society is structured it has resulted in people doing unnecessary work just so they have a job. Rather than volunteering their time in a hospital, for example, they are compelled to take a paying job serving fast food. They end up doing work that provides little benefit to society, as a whole, and certainly denies the individual any feelings of accomplishment or satisfaction.
Now we come to the interesting part. We know that, today, goods are represented by money. Rather than storing tons of spices or have rooms full of leather goods we put the equivalent in the bank in the form of paper money which brings us to the anti-hoarding laws.
(Excerpt) So Where Do Anti-Hoarding Laws Come In?
These ideas of anti-hoarding legislation may have stemmed from two areas of confusion:
First is from Executive Orders in place dating back to 1939 which Clinton has grouped together under one order, EO #12919 released on June 6, 1994.
The following EOs all fall under EO#12919:
10997--Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private;
10998--Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment;
10999--Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways;
11000......
11051--Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of "National Emergency").
Bottom line? Clinton delegated authority to FEMA to run the show however it sees fit if he declares a national emergency. Who will determine how much food we can have in our house? FEMA. And the amount depends on the needs of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.
EO #11051 covering "economic or financial crisis" certainly would have terrorism implications as well. An emergency does not have to be defined as another Hurricane Hugo or massive Midwestern flooding.
The other area where anti-hoarding confusion might have arisen is state legislation. Most states have chosen to enact their own anti-hoarding laws.
Bottom line, even though federal legislation does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's eyes.
Hawaii As A Specific Example of Anti-Hoarding
For Hawaii, this information will be found in Title 10 under "Public Safety". It is located after legislation on militias, state guard troops, etc. Then you find the jewel... In Hawaii you are considered a "hoarder" if you have more than one week's provisions on hand BUT you have to dig to uncover this information. Here is a specific example:
"HAWAII REVISED STATUTES REVISED 1997, Title 10:
(1) Prevention of *hoarding, waste, etc. To the extent necessary to prevent hoarding, waste, or destruction of materials, supplies, commodities, accommodations, facilities, and services, to effectuate equitable distribution thereof, or to establish priorities therein as the public welfare may require, to investigate, and any other law to the contrary notwithstanding, to regulate or prohibit, by means of licensing, rationing, or otherwise, the storage, transportation, use, possession, maintenance, furnishing, sale, or distribution thereof, and any business or any transaction related thereto."
Again using Hawaii's Titles as an example, any items in excess of what legislation has deemed appropriate to store (in Hawaii's case any amount over 1 week) is subject to forfeiture and may be confiscated, ordered destroyed or may be redistributed for public use. (End)
http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EOs.html
So, we have folks making millions of dollars a year and others collecting rationings in the form of UI and welfare. We have corporations sitting on a surplus of money while people remain unemployed.
I pose the following questions, "Is the shortage which some people are experiencing a result of hoarding by others?" and "If the government has the legal right to intervene, should they?"
Crashk
Unite or Die
Relax people....Obama won't be President forever......
Do you really believe the poor state of our economy is because of Obama? And do you think giving the govt. back to the Republicons will solve the problems their cheap-labor ideology is responsible for?
or are you just brainwashed to the point you can't see the trouble we're in?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
NO. It's just that our policy makers are destroying us with globalization stupidity.
Protectionism would solve all our problems.
Globalization is the elites' war on the rest of humanity.
Since there's scant chance of protectionism being implemented, what are you prepared to do?