Iraq: Al Qaeda's Vietnam!

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Dixie - In Memoriam

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I've been crunching some numbers on the Iraq war lately, and I derived a startling conclusion. This war in Iraq, is al Qaeda's Vietnam. When you look at the number of alQaeda who have been killed or captured since the invasion, and compare it with the total number of alQaeda forces in the 'field of battle', it is remarkably similar to the ratio of fatalities we encountered during Vietnam. Not only that, but alQaeda has no 'base of support' or headquarters, like Saigon, to effectively control any aspect of the war. Unlike the incompetent Democratic administration which botched it in Vietnam, alQaeda is very intelligent and has compensated for the lack of military might, but they have encountered enormous losses, particularly in the area of field generals and leadership. In spite of haranguing from the left, the US and coalition forces, have managed to defeat alQaeda in every battle, and fully control most areas of the country, while eliminating the majority of effective alQaeda cells. Compound these losses with al Qaeda's losses in other theaters, and they have certainly been dealt a blow to their overall strength.

Iraq is al Qaeda's Vietnam, it is quickly becoming a quagmire they can't win, and they are reaching a point of not being able to withstand further losses. Recruitment might be on the rise, but in Vietnam, we had a draft, so fresh bodies were never an issue, it was the carnage of war... families concerned about their loved ones, or tired of grieving over the dead loves ones... Humanity kicked in, and people just wanted the killing to stop. Now, granted, alQaeda is a little short on Humanity, and it might take them longer to reach the point that we reached in Vietnam, but the power of humanity is inescapable, and sooner or later they will decide that Iraq is just not worth "winning" and they would do better to cut their losses and withdraw.
 
Not hardly, no more than it is America's Vietnam. Not even close by any means to compare the two either way.
 
Now, granted, alQaeda is a little short on Humanity, and it might take them longer to reach the point that we reached in Vietnam, but the power of humanity is inescapable, and sooner or later they will decide that Iraq is just not worth "winning" and they would do better to cut their losses and withdraw.
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So in the meantime we should just "stay the course," right? ;)
 
I've been crunching some numbers on the Iraq war lately, and I derived a startling conclusion. This war in Iraq, is al Qaeda's Vietnam.

This sounds suspiciously like Dixie's former claims on FP.xom about how he supposedly dressed up as Osama Bin Ladin and "infiltrated" a War Protest march -- or like the time he "spent" in Bagdad and the Green Zone, dodging road side bombs as he "worked" on american security in iraq.

In short: my bullshit meter is reading off the charts.
 
toby said:
Not hardly, no more than it is America's Vietnam. Not even close by any means to compare the two either way.
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Tobes, what' da matter with you today? It seems as if you are being disagreeable, just to disagree with me. Why don't you further expound on your point, or... attempt to make one? I don't see what your post really contributes to the conversation, except to take a shot at me for something, and this is the second time in the past 30 minutes. Did I do something to you, or say something to you, to prompt this sudden anti-Dixie sentiment?
 
I disagree too. we are fighting maniacle maniacs. they have been raised that way. death is a major part of their religion. The VC and NVA were nationalists but not suicidal. Their leaders didn't promise them a trip to heaven when they died. It was a completely different war with completely different goals.

Some strategies are the same, such as hiding behind innocents and executing those that don't follow your way of thinking but thats as close as the two come.

Iraq is just a front in the overall war.
 
Dixie said:
Tobes, what' da matter with you today? It seems as if you are being disagreeable, just to disagree with me. Why don't you further expound on your point, or... attempt to make one? I don't see what your post really contributes to the conversation, except to take a shot at me for something, and this is the second time in the past 30 minutes. Did I do something to you, or say something to you, to prompt this sudden anti-Dixie sentiment?
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If he keeps disagreeing with you, I think you should just ignore him.
 
he isn't really ignoring you Jarod...he just pretends to ignore you so that he doesn't have to get his ass kicked by you
 
maineman said:
he isn't really ignoring you Jarod...he just pretends to ignore you so that he doesn't have to get his ass kicked by you
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I suspect that is true maine, thats why I keep posting to him.

I dont really care much anyway. My goal has never been to show him what an idiot he is, but to show others.
 
Gaffer said:
I disagree too. we are fighting maniacle maniacs. they have been raised that way. death is a major part of their religion. The VC and NVA were nationalists but not suicidal. Their leaders didn't promise them a trip to heaven when they died. It was a completely different war with completely different goals.

Some strategies are the same, such as hiding behind innocents and executing those that don't follow your way of thinking but thats as close as the two come.

Iraq is just a front in the overall war.
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Here's a couple (OK three) questions for you Gaffer: How many CIA agents (give or take a few) are currently operating in Iraq? What was Valerie Plame's early job at the CIA? What is the largest building of it's kind anywhere in the world and why is it being built in Baghdad?
 
Dixie said:
I've been crunching some numbers on the Iraq war lately, and I derived a startling conclusion. This war in Iraq, is al Qaeda's Vietnam. When you look at the number of alQaeda who have been killed or captured since the invasion, and compare it with the total number of alQaeda forces in the 'field of battle', it is remarkably similar to the ratio of fatalities we encountered during Vietnam. Not only that, but alQaeda has no 'base of support' or headquarters, like Saigon, to effectively control any aspect of the war. Unlike the incompetent Democratic administration which botched it in Vietnam, alQaeda is very intelligent and has compensated for the lack of military might, but they have encountered enormous losses, particularly in the area of field generals and leadership. In spite of haranguing from the left, the US and coalition forces, have managed to defeat alQaeda in every battle, and fully control most areas of the country, while eliminating the majority of effective alQaeda cells. Compound these losses with al Qaeda's losses in other theaters, and they have certainly been dealt a blow to their overall strength.

Iraq is al Qaeda's Vietnam, it is quickly becoming a quagmire they can't win, and they are reaching a point of not being able to withstand further losses. Recruitment might be on the rise, but in Vietnam, we had a draft, so fresh bodies were never an issue, it was the carnage of war... families concerned about their loved ones, or tired of grieving over the dead loves ones... Humanity kicked in, and people just wanted the killing to stop. Now, granted, alQaeda is a little short on Humanity, and it might take them longer to reach the point that we reached in Vietnam, but the power of humanity is inescapable, and sooner or later they will decide that Iraq is just not worth "winning" and they would do better to cut their losses and withdraw.
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That's odd.

You said months ago when Zarqawi died, that it was the end of al qaeda in iraq.

Since that prediction you made was wrong, is it possible this prediction is wrong too?
 
Dont you see, they are all WRONG, because they are based on his pretend reality!
 
I'm sure this post will be referred back to again at a later date. Expect such a prediciton to be beat over your head like Cheney's comments about the insurgency being in its last throws.
 
Dixie "predicts" whatever he needs to to keep supporting his loverboy in bluejeans.

On December 1st, 2005, Dixie confidently predicted that we would not lose more than 500 more Americans in Iraq before American troops were gone. We're four short of 600 today...the troops keep pouring in, the body count keeps mounting, and anyone who questions the sanity of Bush's plan of "stay the course" is immediately castigated as a "cut and run coward" by the chickenhawks who started this mess. They need to be booted from power and the sooner the better.
 
Cypress said:
That's odd.

You said months ago when Zarqawi died, that it was the end of al qaeda in iraq.

Since that prediction you made was wrong, is it possible this prediction is wrong too?
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Dixie is so full of shit that his posts shouldn't even be read without a roll of toilet paper by your computer. Has anyone here read Graham Greene's novel The Quiet American (1955) about the CIAs involvement in Vietnam in the early 1950s when many Americans do not even realize that America was already conducting covert actions designed to destabilize that government in order to give us a reason to be militarily invoved there? To move quickly to Iraq does anyone here know what the "DB/Anabasis" covert operation plan was or what it called for? Does anyone here believe for a minute that there isn't something like this already in operation inside Iran right now? For those who still believe even one sentence a day from this administration, you really owe it to yourself to stop drinking the damn Kool-Aid and begin to educate yourself independently and thoughtfully about what is going on, who the main characters are, and why the same people who generated and ran the Iran-Contra operation and the years of instability, brutality, torture, death and destruction all over Central American during the 80s are all over Iraq!!!! In fact, as one agent has noted regarding the Iraq destabilization program, "We were doing things in this program that we hadn't done since Casey"!!!!
 
I guess you people don't know the difference between a prediction and a statement of opinion. You can beat me over the head with my own opinions all day, I don't mind it a bit, but let's please be honest enough to admit the difference between an opinion and a prediction.


I'm not "predicting" anything here, I just think the Iraq war has inflicted a great attrition on alQaeda, and eventually, they will have to come to the same realization as America did in Vietnam, that it's just not worth the lives lost. I don't think my opinion is unreasonable, other than the argument that alQaeda doesn't have the same regard for life as Americans, but humanity is present in all humans, it's a human trait, and eventually, unless these people are non-human, humanity will kick in, and they will be compelled to stop the endless dying for no apparent reason. Iraq is a dead-end street for alQaeda, they will not win that war, and it doesn't even matter now if the US does pull out of Iraq completely, they still can't win, the anti-radical element inside Iraq is too powerful.
 
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