Is intelligence innate to the universe?

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Hume

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Aristotle thinks so. Nature is an intelligent process.

Panpsychists think intelligence is a property of every physical particle.
 
What does it mean for nature to "have intelligence"?

What is better explained by invoking "intelligence" in nature?
 
Hume said:
Aristotle thinks so. Nature is an intelligent process.

Panpsychists think intelligence is a property of every physical particle.
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Quarks and electrons themselves are not intelligent.

The overall structure of matter and energy in the universe is rationally intelligible.
 
Hume said:
No, I don't think the universe is lawful.
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I'm talking about things like the universal laws of gravitation, the laws of motion, the laws of conservation. A universe that is rationally predictable is a universe that is lawful
 
Well, this one fizzled out. Presumably it wasn't abstract enough and the debators figured out they didn't really know what their point was. Not unusual for folks who value just saying "intelligent sounding things" over actually saying intelligent things.

Does the universe have intelligence? What does that even mean? Does one think the starts are somehow communicating with the trees and passing thoughts back and forth? What does it even mean?
 
Cypress said:
Yes, the universe is lawful and rationally organized. No one knows why that is.
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I've never had a problem sleeping not knowing one way or the other. It is clear that history is never going to repeat itself, so empiricism is only 'valid' in very limited special cases, the sequences of time and space are never going to repeat themselves exactly the same ever, so it's probably best we don't know.
 
EdwinA said:
I've never had a problem sleeping not knowing one way or the other. It is clear that history is never going to repeat itself, so empiricism is only 'valid' in very limited special cases, the sequences of time and space are never going to repeat themselves exactly the same ever, so it's probably best we don't know.
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I doubt anyone is losing any sleep over it.

Empirical data and testable postulates do not appear capable of providing any truth about why there is something rather than nothing.

We still have the power of human inference. I don't think it logically follows that rational and lawful organization can just pop into existence out of nothing. It's reasonable to infer there is some underlying purposeful organizing principle that predates and precedes our universe
 
Hume said:
Aristotle thinks so. Nature is an intelligent process.

Panpsychists think intelligence is a property of every physical particle.
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Why won't you answer the question instead of reciting what an ancient philosophy taught people to believe in possibilities living eternally separated isn't as uniquely equally self evident time adapting since conceived to replace previous ancestry so far,

Nature is the behavior of things existing, natural order is when each thing arrived uniquely here past, currently evolving, tomorrow still around or gone.
 
CypTrump said:
I love to lie and misrepresent other people's points. So I'm really happy that my point is being misrepresented too! The golden rule and what not, dontcha know! Did you know I've read so many important books that my mommy says I'm the smarted little boy in school!
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Let's stick to the topic, shall we?

Empirical data and testable postulates do not appear capable of providing any truth about why there is something rather than nothing.
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And imagination can take you ANYWHERE! Even to conclusions that you just made up!

It's reasonable to infer there is some underlying purposeful organizing principle that predates and precedes our universe
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And it can literally be anything you want it to be! That's the power of IMAGINATION!
 
EdwinA said:
I've never had a problem sleeping not knowing one way or the other. It is clear that history is never going to repeat itself, so empiricism is only 'valid' in very limited special cases, the sequences of time and space are never going to repeat themselves exactly the same ever, so it's probably best we don't know.
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these people are bullshitters.
 
EdwinA said:
I've never had a problem sleeping not knowing one way or the other. It is clear that history is never going to repeat itself, so empiricism is only 'valid' in very limited special cases, the sequences of time and space are never going to repeat themselves exactly the same ever, so it's probably best we don't know.
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Deliberate ignorance is never a good thing.
 
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