Is Rand Paul Going Neocon on Iran?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-shams/is-rand-paul-going-neocon_b_3784998.html

Last Friday, I received an email from Rand Paul's office. He was, ostensibly, responding to my letter urging the Senate to oppose a new resolution that would call for the U.S. to enforce sanctions and provide economic, political, and military support if Israel attacked Iran. I opened it assuming that I'd read an email about how Senator Paul remained committed to standing strong against the push for war and sanctions. Boy was I wrong.


Ten months after sitting with what I assumed was a sympathetic ear, I read the following:


Iran continues to pose a threat to the region and the world as it continues nuclear development in the face of international sanctions and pressure to halt this aggressive behavior. Though a nuclear Iran would be a threat on the global scale, there is also concern that a nuclear Iran would aggressively target our ally Israel.

The United States and Israel have a special relationship. With our shared history and common values, the American and Israeli people have formed a bond that unifies us across many thousands of miles and calls on us to work together toward peace and prosperity. This peace is not only between our two nations, but also our neighbors.

In February 2013, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) introduced S.Res.65, a Senate resolution stating it is the sense of Congress that the United States and international organizations should continue the enforcement of sanctions against Iran. In addition, S.Res.65 reiterates the policy of the United States to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and our continued support of our ally Israel.

I supported S.Res.65, which passed both the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the full Senate unanimously.


He goes on to mention that he got language included in the resolution stating that it does not authorize war. But I admittedly had to re-read the letter a few times. Here was a letter from Sen. Rand Paul, a supposed anti-sanctions, anti-war isolationist, that was basically doing a complete 180 degree turn away from what Paul's been advocating since before his election.

....

This signals just how powerful the neo-conservative movement is in the Republican Party. They apparently remain the kingmakers and if anyone wants to win the nomination in 2016 it won't be without their approval. And it looks as if they've answered affirmatively to Scott McConnell, who wrote a piece in November 2010 on the Tea Party's foreign policy:


The question is, can the neocons, as they have with other political factions in the past, successfully co-opt this new political force in such a way as to make it amenable to their goals?


It remains to be seen if Rand Paul is really willing to sell out his anti-sanctions, anti-war stance to AIPAC and the neo-cons. With a push underway for the Senate to consider new sanctions this fall, Paul will have a major role to play as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee. If he is willing to flip flop on sanctions and war threats, I wonder what else he'd be willing to compromise. Will it be so farfetched to hear Paul calling for limited strikes on Iran--so long as Congress authorizes them. Will he continue to be the libertarian darling then? Regardless, his vow not to compromise post-2010 election looks in jeopardy.
 
the assault on Libertarianism by the Dems and Reps are having the desired effect, but Rand Paul tipped his hand on his values and positions before he was ever elected, so Kentuckians should not be that surprised.
 
He is allowing his ambition to affect his politics and values. It happens to anyone with enough desire to become president.
 
the assault on Libertarianism by the Dems and Reps are having the desired effect, but Rand Paul tipped his hand on his values and positions before he was ever elected, so Kentuckians should not be that surprised.

I would guess the majority of Kentucky voters support this or more aggressive action. Lots of Rand's support came from outside of Kentucky though and from people who would not support this.

The libertarians will always be the red headed stepchild in the GOP. The neocons want war and the social conservatives are a bunch of racists, nationalists and xenophobes who can easily be directed to hate people of different cultures. Neither of them really care about liberty or economic freedom. Their coalition is more natural than those involving libertarians. I think, Paul thinks he can manipulate them but the reverse is more likely.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-shams/is-rand-paul-going-neocon_b_3784998.html

Last Friday, I received an email from Rand Paul's office. He was, ostensibly, responding to my letter urging the Senate to oppose a new resolution that would call for the U.S. to enforce sanctions and provide economic, political, and military support if Israel attacked Iran. I opened it assuming that I'd read an email about how Senator Paul remained committed to standing strong against the push for war and sanctions. Boy was I wrong.


Ten months after sitting with what I assumed was a sympathetic ear, I read the following:


Iran continues to pose a threat to the region and the world as it continues nuclear development in the face of international sanctions and pressure to halt this aggressive behavior. Though a nuclear Iran would be a threat on the global scale, there is also concern that a nuclear Iran would aggressively target our ally Israel.

The United States and Israel have a special relationship. With our shared history and common values, the American and Israeli people have formed a bond that unifies us across many thousands of miles and calls on us to work together toward peace and prosperity. This peace is not only between our two nations, but also our neighbors.

In February 2013, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) introduced S.Res.65, a Senate resolution stating it is the sense of Congress that the United States and international organizations should continue the enforcement of sanctions against Iran. In addition, S.Res.65 reiterates the policy of the United States to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and our continued support of our ally Israel.

I supported S.Res.65, which passed both the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the full Senate unanimously.


He goes on to mention that he got language included in the resolution stating that it does not authorize war. But I admittedly had to re-read the letter a few times. Here was a letter from Sen. Rand Paul, a supposed anti-sanctions, anti-war isolationist, that was basically doing a complete 180 degree turn away from what Paul's been advocating since before his election.

....

This signals just how powerful the neo-conservative movement is in the Republican Party. They apparently remain the kingmakers and if anyone wants to win the nomination in 2016 it won't be without their approval. And it looks as if they've answered affirmatively to Scott McConnell, who wrote a piece in November 2010 on the Tea Party's foreign policy:


The question is, can the neocons, as they have with other political factions in the past, successfully co-opt this new political force in such a way as to make it amenable to their goals?


It remains to be seen if Rand Paul is really willing to sell out his anti-sanctions, anti-war stance to AIPAC and the neo-cons. With a push underway for the Senate to consider new sanctions this fall, Paul will have a major role to play as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee. If he is willing to flip flop on sanctions and war threats, I wonder what else he'd be willing to compromise. Will it be so farfetched to hear Paul calling for limited strikes on Iran--so long as Congress authorizes them. Will he continue to be the libertarian darling then? Regardless, his vow not to compromise post-2010 election looks in jeopardy.

Disturbing
 
Like teabaggers, libertarians are living in a dream world. Teabaggers wanted less spending and less influence now are the darlings of big donations. Libertarians are the same way. Throw a little money their way and principles go out the window.
 
If Rand has his eye on the Presidential ball, he can't be pure libertarian and anti-intervention; he won't win then.

On the other hand, a president often has to compromise his/her views; they can't be purist and still govern successfully.
 
Like teabaggers, libertarians are living in a dream world. Teabaggers wanted less spending and less influence now are the darlings of big donations. Libertarians are the same way. Throw a little money their way and principles go out the window.

I posted this and the libertarian comments have been critical of him. There is no indication that libertarians are in the dream world.
 
I would guess the majority of Kentucky voters support this or more aggressive action. Lots of Rand's support came from outside of Kentucky though and from people who would not support this.

The libertarians will always be the red headed stepchild in the GOP. The neocons want war and the social conservatives are a bunch of racists, nationalists and xenophobes who can easily be directed to hate people of different cultures. Neither of them really care about liberty or economic freedom. Their coalition is more natural than those involving libertarians. I think, Paul thinks he can manipulate them but the reverse is more likely.
I would tend to agree.
 
I posted this and the libertarian comments have been critical of him. There is no indication that libertarians are in the dream world.
why should that stop the haters from pointing fingers while ignoring their own parties politicians from doing the same thing? desh, for example. it's almost funny to watch her call freedom and liberty a failed idea.
 
why should that stop the haters from pointing fingers while ignoring their own parties politicians from doing the same thing? desh, for example. it's almost funny to watch her call freedom and liberty a failed idea.

Howey and desh bring almost nothing to the table but ad hominems. They usually can't elaborate past their inane one liners. They are about as worthless as pmp.
 
Rand Paul has just compromised one of his most important libertarians positions, proving that he will do anything to carve out a niche that will win him more votes. A totally hollow little man who doesn't really stand for anything anymore. But to the freaks who support him, his racist leanings remain intact and he knows that will get him maybe 10% of the vote regardless of what else he is or isn't.

Pathetic! Some people think this creep could be your next president? America still doesn't have 'that' many losers!
 
I posted this and the libertarian comments have been critical of him. There is no indication that libertarians are in the dream world.

and in the real world... you often have to choose between supporting a candidate who follows all the party precepts - and loses - or supporting a candidate who compromises in order to be electable.

Is this a major or minor betrayal? Libertarians can decide.
 
and in the real world... you often have to choose between supporting a candidate who follows all the party precepts - and loses - or supporting a candidate who compromises in order to be electable.

Is this a major or minor betrayal? Libertarians can decide.

Ha! If libertarians excuse Rand Paul for this one it will finally prove that they have no principles themselves. And surely they will!

Libertarianism can never win because sooner or later all of their positions will need to be compromised. Their batshit crazy ideas about equal taxation or flat tax or whatever they call it just has to be next.

Crazed fucking baggers and haters looking for a stuntman like Rand Paul to give them their daily fix of hating everything that is normal.
 
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