Is The NRA A Terrorist Organization?

H

Howey

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The powerful firearms lobby led by the National Rifle Association opposes the gun-control package and made clear it will seek political retribution on any legislator that supports it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/senate-gun-laws/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Is the NRA becoming a domestic terrorist organization?

From the US Code of Federal law: intimidation or coercion to influence government policy is domestic terrorism.

The NRA threatened politicians who support gun regulations and intimidating them. Sounds an awful lot like "domestic terrorism" to me, doesn't it?
 
Yeah, this is absolutely ridiculous.

The NRA threatened to withhold financial donations and to campaign for the politician's opposition in the next election.

Part of what they do is work as lobbyists. All lobbyists do this. They work to get donations for the candidates that support their positions and work to get people elected who support their positions.

Nothing more and nothing less.

To even insinuate that what they did was somehow a threat to anyone is beyond ridiculous.
 
WinterBorn said:
Yeah, this is absolutely ridiculous.

The NRA threatened to withhold financial donations and to campaign for the politician's opposition in the next election.

Part of what they do is work as lobbyists. All lobbyists do this. They work to get donations for the candidates that support their positions and work to get people elected who support their positions.

Nothing more and nothing less.

To even insinuate that what they did was somehow a threat to anyone is beyond ridiculous.
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Great idea, claiming lobbyists are terrorists! Good way to get rid of them!
 
http://gunvictimsaction.org/7nra/



1. Money to Dominate Legislators at the State and Federal Level.
NRA’s annual budget = $250 million
Brady’s annual budget = $7 million
NRA has 600 employees
Brady has 23 employees

2. Money Spent to Influence Federal Elections
(Total 2004,2006, 2008 )*
NRA + Pro Gun Groups = $53 million
Brady + Gun Control Groups = $3 million

*(Source of data: Open Secrets.org)

3. Create Fear, Maximize Sales to Criminals
Fact: The Criminal market = 25% of the gun industry’s annual sales.*
The NRA fights to protect this market share,
They must defeat any law that would make it harder for criminals to get guns e.g. laws to stop gun trafficking, close the gun show loophole, etc.THEN SAY
“You need a gun with you at all times to protect you from armed criminals.”

*(Source: Expert witness report filed as part of the 1999 NAACP lawsuit vs. the Gun Industry.)

4. Powerful State by State strategy.
Intense focus on State legislators to get insane gun laws passed e.g.,
Guns in bars,
Concealed and open carry of guns

5. Disinformation
“More guns equal less crime”
“Guns save lives, more guns save more lives.”

CAUTION
Whenever you hear ANYTHING about guns that seems appealing, reasonable or factual KNOW IT IS PROBABLY NOT TRUE. For the facts contact us at: info@gunvictimsaction.org

6. Suppress Data that shows the catastrophic assault to public health and safety caused by the unregulated gun industry.
Just like the tobacco industry suppressed data for decades that showed smoking caused cancer.

7. Simplistic Sound Bite Logic
Law abiding citizens are always going to be law abiding.
Fact: Every criminal was once law abiding citizen.

The government secretly wants to take your guns away:
Any sane gun law will lead to the government being able to take your guns away.
 
I guess writing a letter to your leaders to try to influence policy would be considered terrorism to Howey.

our system is ruined by people like Howey
 
Howey said:
http://gunvictimsaction.org/7nra/



1. Money to Dominate Legislators at the State and Federal Level.
NRA’s annual budget = $250 million
Brady’s annual budget = $7 million
NRA has 600 employees
Brady has 23 employees

2. Money Spent to Influence Federal Elections
(Total 2004,2006, 2008 )*
NRA + Pro Gun Groups = $53 million
Brady + Gun Control Groups = $3 million

*(Source of data: Open Secrets.org)

3. Create Fear, Maximize Sales to Criminals
Fact: The Criminal market = 25% of the gun industry’s annual sales.*
The NRA fights to protect this market share,
They must defeat any law that would make it harder for criminals to get guns e.g. laws to stop gun trafficking, close the gun show loophole, etc.THEN SAY
“You need a gun with you at all times to protect you from armed criminals.”

*(Source: Expert witness report filed as part of the 1999 NAACP lawsuit vs. the Gun Industry.)

4. Powerful State by State strategy.
Intense focus on State legislators to get insane gun laws passed e.g.,
Guns in bars,
Concealed and open carry of guns

5. Disinformation
“More guns equal less crime”
“Guns save lives, more guns save more lives.”

CAUTION
Whenever you hear ANYTHING about guns that seems appealing, reasonable or factual KNOW IT IS PROBABLY NOT TRUE. For the facts contact us at: info@gunvictimsaction.org

6. Suppress Data that shows the catastrophic assault to public health and safety caused by the unregulated gun industry.
Just like the tobacco industry suppressed data for decades that showed smoking caused cancer.

7. Simplistic Sound Bite Logic
Law abiding citizens are always going to be law abiding.
Fact: Every criminal was once law abiding citizen.

The government secretly wants to take your guns away:
Any sane gun law will lead to the government being able to take your guns away.
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All that shows is that teh NRA is much better funded. The Brady Bunch spreads as much misinformation as anyone does and avoids facts that show anything positive about guns.


No, the NRA is not a terrorist group.
 
The Case Against The NRA, Terrorist Organization

Good morning, Your Honour.

We appear before you this morning to argue for the proposition that the defendant, the National Rifle Association of America, hereafter referred to as the NRA, is properly classified as a terrorist organization. And, accordingly, that the NRA’s directors and officers have been engaged in a campaign of terror against civilian populations.

Our indictment of the NRA, as you know, arises out of section 802 of the USA Patriot Act, No. 107-52, which has expanded the definition of terrorism to cover “domestic,” as opposed to international, terrorism. Therein, the Patriot Act, which was overwhelmingly supported and passed by all parties in Congress, sets out that a person has engaged in domestic terrorism if they do something that is “dangerous to human life,” which the NRA has in fact done since the earliest days of its 1871 charter in New York State.

To be successful in prosecuting a crime under the Patriot Act, it must be shown that the NRA, one, intimidated or coerced the civilian population – which they have done, ceaselessly, for generations. Two, that they have influenced the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion – which they have done, with armies of millionaire gun lobbyists, threatening elected representatives with defeat and disgrace if they do not do the NRA’s bidding. And, three, most crucially, we must show that the NRA has attempted to affect the conduct of our government by “mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.”

We cannot state for a fact, Your Honour, that the NRA has actively engaged in assassinations or kidnappings. They have certainly attempted to kidnap and murder democracy.

We can state, however, that the NRA will be shown to have energetically advocated mass destruction, even in the wake of the killings of 20 innocents – mainly children – before Christmas in Newtown. Their most recent advertising campaign, which offers up the president’s own children as rhetorical fodder, is ample evidence of the NRA’s willingness – like any terrorist organization – to terrorize children, and parents, to achieve their political goals.

The political goals of the NRA are simple, Your Honour. While the NRA repeatedly claims that it seeks to protect the Second Amendment to the Constitution – and said Amendment states that “a well regulated militia [is]necessary to the security of a free state.” We take the view that the NRA and its cohorts have willfully twisted the meaning of “a well-regulated militia” to mean the sale of assault weapons, with high-capacity ammunition clips, to the mentally ill.

We also take the view that, at the time Thomas Jefferson and other founders ratified the Second Amendment, they did not intend it to be applied to the mass murder of five-year-olds, using assault weapons.

We are aware that the definition of terrorism is broad, Your Honour, and that there is a robust debate about when it applies. But under section 802 of the Act, we remind you that this court need only find that the NRA has – within the territorial confines of the United States – engaged in a campaign of intimidation of coercion of our government, and our citizens. You need only find that the NRA seeks to affect the conduct of government by advocating “mass destruction.”

Lobbying for guns in schools is that, Your Honour. So is threatening members of Congress into lifting the ban on assault weapons. So is helping teenagers to purchase AK-47 assault weapons at gun shows. So is calling law enforcement “jack-booted government thugs.” So is suggesting the President of the United States facilitates murder. So, most of all, is assassinating minimal efforts to prevent something like Newtown from every happening again.

All these things the NRA has done, Your Honour. All of these acts of intimidation and coercion are not dissimilar to the campaigns of the Taliban or al-Qaeda.

They may wear expensive suits, Your Honour, but the NRA is not much different from the terrorists.

They deserve to be treated as such by this court.
 
Howey said:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/senate-gun-laws/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Is the NRA becoming a domestic terrorist organization?

From the US Code of Federal law: intimidation or coercion to influence government policy is domestic terrorism.

The NRA threatened politicians who support gun regulations and intimidating them. Sounds an awful lot like "domestic terrorism" to me, doesn't it?
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Well, if that's the case, then every lobbying group in America is a terrorist organization. No, they're not a terrorist organization. They are merely one of a long line of Greedy Bastards who protect other Greedy Bastards....and the flaw in the system is the same for all of them.....money in politics.

Since we're on the subject of the NRA and guns(again), I have a question about "Straw Sales". Where do these weapons come from? Why aren't the manufacturers being held liable? Are they doing backdoor sales to disreputable people? Are they being stolen from their warehouses? Where's their security and accountability?
 
You're right Howey. They meet at the shooting range every Sunday and discuss ways to dominate the world while some pretend to shoot targets for sound cover. They break soo much blue, its almost scares me. Almost.
 
Steelplate said:
Since we're on the subject of the NRA and guns(again), I have a question about "Straw Sales". Where do these weapons come from? Why aren't the manufacturers being held liable? Are they doing backdoor sales to disreputable people? Are they being stolen from their warehouses? Where's their security and accountability?
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Should we hold Ford responsible for all deaths caused by their drivers? How about MillerCoors?

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest things you've ever said, and that's a feat in and of itself. Guns get stolen from peoples houses, and then sold/bought through black markets types. God you are the epitome of a Fudd if there ever was one.
 
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Chapel The Evergreen said:
Should we hold Ford responsible for all deaths caused by their drivers? How about MillerCoors?

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest things you've ever said, and that's a feat in and of itself. Guns get stolen from peoples houses, and then sold/bought through black markets types. God you are the epitome of a Fudd if there ever was one.
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Oh bullshit. If they are selling to illegal arms dealers, they should be held accountable. There aren't nearly enough gun thefts to account for what's on our streets. Another thing....haven't people heard of gun safes?

You corporate fuck. Nothing any of them do is wrong .... ever. Grow the hell up and realize that business is quite capable of it's own corruption and immorality.

BTW... I'd LOVE to see you actually back up your claim that privately stolen guns account for gangs carrying an arsenal that have law enforcement outgunned.

Try to use something OTHER than NRA propaganda.
 
Howey said:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/senate-gun-laws/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Is the NRA becoming a domestic terrorist organization?

From the US Code of Federal law: intimidation or coercion to influence government policy is domestic terrorism.

The NRA threatened politicians who support gun regulations and intimidating them. Sounds an awful lot like "domestic terrorism" to me, doesn't it?
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that would certainly allow us to qualify the brady campaign, csgv, and other liberal groups as well.
 
it's getting pretty disgusting that you would throw your fellow patriotic americans, who believe in the constitution, under the bus and treat them as if they were criminals. This is why us gun rights people don't trust you people at all. it's your attitude. it's the fact that you take addresses of gun owners and post them online for everyone to see, as if they were on some sex offender list. You guys truly are our enemies.
 
Skeleton Jelly said:
it's getting pretty disgusting that you would throw your fellow patriotic americans, who believe in the constitution, under the bus and treat them as if they were criminals. This is why us gun rights people don't trust you people at all. it's your attitude. it's the fact that you take addresses of gun owners and post them online for everyone to see, as if they were on some sex offender list. You guys truly are our enemies.
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I believe most of us denounced this, but please, do climb back on your soapbox.
 
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