It's A Wonderful Life - Story Of Capitalists VS Socialists. Capitalist Is The Bad Guy

[PoliTalker]

This is a favorite Christmas movie with the classic story of Greed vs Generosity and social spirit.

Potter is the bad guy who can't own enough of the town.

Bailey is the good guy, the underdog we all pull for. Fighting for what is right.

Who wins in the end?

 

[Celticguy]

Frank Capra, made a lot of money with it.

 

[PoliTalker]

Happy Holly Daze Celticguy,

Frank Capra, made a lot of money with it.

Wonder what he did with the money?

It's a great story, timeless.

 

[Celticguy]

Happy Holly Daze Celticguy,



Wonder what he did with the money?

It's a great story, timeless.

Paid a lot of bills, bought a nice house.

Love that movie corny as it is.

 

[Nordberg]

Frank Capra, made a lot of money with it.

What does that have to do with the theme of the movie?

 

[Saudade]

This is a favorite Christmas movie with the classic story of Greed vs Generosity and social spirit.

Potter is the bad guy who can't own enough of the town.

Bailey is the good guy, the underdog we all pull for. Fighting for what is right.

Who wins in the end?

Bailey wasn't a socialist. He encouraged private giving. He didn't ask the state to force everyone to give.

 

[Celticguy]

What does that have to do with the theme of the movie?

What does the theme of the movie have to do with Capra's occupation ? Sappy stories were popular back in the day.

 

[Celticguy]

Bailey wasn't a socialist. He encouraged private giving. He didn't ask the state to force everyone to give.

He didnt encourage privste giving at all. Uncle Billy did that.
He duscovered that people can appreciate nice guys.

 

[Saudade]

He didnt encourage privste giving at all. Uncle Billy did that.
He duscovered that people can appreciate nice guys.

Good point. But either way, socialism doesn't apply to the story.

 

[Cypress]

This is a favorite Christmas movie with the classic story of Greed vs Generosity and social spirit.

Potter is the bad guy who can't own enough of the town.

Bailey is the good guy, the underdog we all pull for. Fighting for what is right.

Who wins in the end?

The hybrid socialist-free market economies of Scandinavia are among most admired socio-economic systems in human history.

Teabaggers have a vested interest is trying to conflate socialism with the totalitarian Leninist state epitomized by the Soviet Union. For very obvious reasons. Because the hybrid socialist-free market economies of northern Europe are shining examples of success stories in human history.

Vladimir Lenin detested liberals, democracy, and democratic socialism.

Albert Einstein was the most credible and influential person of the 20th century to argue on behalf of democratic socialism in the face of the immorality of unrestrained capitalism

Albert Einstein: Why Socialism?

Einstein demonstrated his own resolve in the face of hostile criticism in 1949 when he published the influential article “Why Socialism?” in the inaugural issue of Monthly Review

Einstein’s socialism was that of the democratic left, which distinguished itself from the communist left by its deep commitment to constitutional, electoral procedures and gradual social reform.

In his thoughtful and densely argued 1949 essay, Einstein argued for a planned economy but warned that it carried with it the risk that an all-powerful bureaucracy could become as much of a threat to the rights of the individual as is the unchecked competitiveness of capitalism.

Einstein noted that democratic government under capitalism cannot be trusted to protect ordinary working people because political parties are financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who constitute an “oligarchy of private capital.” The worst evil of capitalism, he wrote, was “the crippling of individuals.”

Einstein was always clear and firm in condemning what was going on in Stalin’s Soviet Union


source credit: Albert Einstein: Physicist, Philosopher, Humanitarian, course notes, professor Don Howard, Notre Dame University

A good model of a successful hybrid economy, one which combines elements of democratic socialism, a generous welfare state, and regulated entrepreneurship is Norway - some lessons could be learned from them.

The Norwegian government owns substantial portions of the nation's energy, oil, gas, hydroelectric, banking, telecommunications, and financial services. In trust and on behalf of the Norwegian people. And in doing so, they are able to maintain a high standard of living and a generous social welfare state.

 

[Saudade]

The hybrid socialist-free market economies of Scandinavia are among most admired socio-economic systems in human history.

Teabaggers have a vested interest is trying to conflate socialism with the totalitarian Leninist state epitomized by the Soviet Union. For very obvious reasons. Because the hybrid socialist-free market economies of northern Europe are shining examples of success stories in human history.

Vladimir Lenin detested liberals, democracy, and democratic socialism.

Albert Einstein was the most credible and influential person of the 20th century to argue on behalf of democratic socialism in the face of the immorality of unrestrained capitalism



A good model of a successful hybrid economy, one which combines elements of democratic socialism, a generous welfare state, and regulated entrepreneurship is Norway - some lessons could be learned from them.

The Norwegian government owns substantial portions of the nation's energy, oil, gas, hydroelectric, banking, telecommunications, and financial services. In trust and on behalf of the Norwegian people. And in doing so, they are able to maintain a high standard of living and a generous social welfare state.

There's a big difference between socialism and having socialized amenities. None of the Scandinavian economies match a socialism by the standard definition. Venezuela is more typical of a socialist system. Very little industry is private there.

In Sweden, they've been instituting privatization for the last decade or 2. In many ways, you could describe them as having a freer market than America.

Norway is comparatively more socialized, but they're still not a socialism in the standard sense. Neither are Denmark or Finland.

Socializing certain amenities can work well, but only if you have a prosperous free market in most other parts of your economy. Without that, you can't afford socialization.

 

[Cypress]

There's a big difference between socialism and having socialized amenities. None of the Scandinavian economies match a socialism by the standard definition. Venezuela is more typical of a socialist system. Very little industry is private there.

In Sweden, they've been instituting privatization for the last decade or 2. In many ways, you could describe them as having a freer market than America.

Norway is comparatively more socialized, but they're still not a socialism in the standard sense. Neither are Denmark or Finland.

Socializing certain amenities can work well, but only if you have a prosperous free market in most other parts of your economy. Without that, you can't afford socialization.

Every liberal on this board looks to Norway and Sweden as models to learn from, not Venezuela, USSR, or North Korea.

You obviously have a grudging admiration of Scandinavia economies

 

[StoneByStone]

This is a favorite Christmas movie with the classic story of Greed vs Generosity and social spirit.

Potter is the bad guy who can't own enough of the town.

Bailey is the good guy, the underdog we all pull for. Fighting for what is right.

Who wins in the end?

Same goes for A Christmas Carol. After Scrooge becomes good, he stops hording money and starts helping others.

 

[Saudade]

Every liberal on this board looks to Norway and Sweden as models to learn from, not Venezuela, USSR, or North Korea.

You obviously have a grudging admiration of Scandinavia economies

I wouldn't say I have an admiration for them, but they do get some things right. The problem that Sweden faces currently is that they let in too many migrants, so their system will collapse soon. Norway might face the same problem if they're not careful.

Generally speaking, the Scandinavian model's strength came from their cultural homogeneity. When everyone is on the same page with cultural priorities, you can see some impressive results with education and healthcare.

As soon as you become more diverse, the most adaptable model is capitalistic. This is part of why America is more capitalistic. We're a highly individualistic society, so there will be a wide variance in performance in the economy. Some people will excel through higher ambition, higher intelligence, and better skills. Other people won't, because they lack in at least some of these things.

However, since Sweden has mistakenly tried to apply diversity to their system, they will learn the hard way that homogeneity was one of their greatest strengths. They've been trying to adapt by becoming more capitalistic, but it might be too little too late.

 

[Cypress]

I wouldn't say I have an admiration for them, but they do get some things right. The problem that Sweden faces currently is that they let in too many migrants, so their system will collapse soon. Norway might face the same problem if they're not careful.

Generally speaking, the Scandinavian model's strength came from their cultural homogeneity. When everyone is on the same page with cultural priorities, you can see some impressive results with education and healthcare.

As soon as you become more diverse, the most adaptable model is capitalistic. This is part of why America is more capitalistic. We're a highly individualistic society, so there will be a wide variance in performance in the economy. Some people will excel through higher ambition, higher intelligence, and better skills. Other people won't, because they lack in at least some of these things.

However, since Sweden has mistakenly tried to apply diversity to their system, they will learn the hard way that homogeneity was one of their greatest strengths. They've been trying to adapt by becoming more capitalistic, but it might be too little too late.

No offense, but what handle did you post under before this one? There is a coterie of liars, slanderers, and subhumans I make a point to disregard and never stoop to interacting with..

 

[Saudade]

No offense, but what handle did you post under before this 5one? There is a coterie of liars, slanderers, and subhumans I make a point to disregard and never stoop to interacting with..

This is my only account here and the only one I've had here. I'm not sure what you're so offended by, however.

 

[cawacko]

There's a big difference between socialism and having socialized amenities. None of the Scandinavian economies match a socialism by the standard definition. Venezuela is more typical of a socialist system. Very little industry is private there.

In Sweden, they've been instituting privatization for the last decade or 2. In many ways, you could describe them as having a freer market than America.

Norway is comparatively more socialized, but they're still not a socialism in the standard sense. Neither are Denmark or Finland.

Socializing certain amenities can work well, but only if you have a prosperous free market in most other parts of your economy. Without that, you can't afford socialization.

It's interesting, even in the 2016 Democratic debate Hillary Clinton said to Bernie, "we are not Denmark". There's a certain subset of American (white) liberals that admire certain aspects of these small largely all white European countries. But they are not the U.S. And they rely on countries like the U.S. for their protection in the world. Let's see them step up and pay the freight we do to keep them safe and allow for global trade etc.

 

[Saudade]

It's interesting, even in the 2016 Democratic debate Hillary Clinton said to Bernie, "we are not Denmark". There's a certain subset of American (white) liberals that admire certain aspects of these small largely all white European countries. But they are not the U.S. And they rely on countries like the U.S. for their protection in the world. Let's see them step up and pay the freight we do to keep them safe and allow for global trade etc.

There's that, and then there's the fact that Denmark itself has said that they aren't socialist. One of their officials corrected Bernie on that.

 

[Celticguy]

Good point. But either way, socialism doesn't apply to the story.

Not in the least.

 

[cawacko]

There's that, and then there's the fact that Denmark itself has said that they aren't socialist. One of their officials corrected Bernie on that.

Interesting, I hadn’t heard about the correcting of Bernie. I haven’t followed these small European countries all that closely but my basic understanding is they were pretty capitalistic in nature for quite awhile, reached a point where a number of them turned to a more socialistic economic model and when that brought down their economic growth they turned away from it.