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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...survive-libertarian-takeover/?intcmp=obinsite

For the umpteenth time in as many years this weekend, a member of the Paul family will win the presidential straw poll in a runaway at the Conservative Political Action Conference. But this time, the winner will not be cranky, eccentric Rep. Ron Paul, but his more politically capable son Sen. Rand Paul – who seeks to make a change instead of merely in making a point.

For three decades, the locus of the Republican Party family debate has been over social issues. Today, there is no such fight – and that’s the bad news for all of us social and foreign policy conservatives.

The central introspection for the GOP today is whether it will be a party that includes libertarians or a party dominated by them.


National media analysts have yet to fully grasp the three-dimensional and asymmetrical debate in today’s GOP.


Senate primary races over the last two cycles prove the tail is, for now, wagging the dog. These primaries, including the one that picked Rand Paul, have all had fast lanes for libertarian candidates challenging traditional, full-spectrum conservatives.

The activists who power the elevation of Sen. Paul and his ilk are corporately much less interested in the pro-life, pro-family agenda that drove the conservative movement for years, and openly hostile to the muscular foreign policy that has differentiated Republicans from Democrats since the Age of Aquarius.

Libertarian-leaning bloggers routinely lambast full-spectrum conservatives as “pro-life statists” – with one term a slur and the other merely a condescending shrug. They’re not motivated by two-thirds of the cause that animated the Reagan coalition.

Too many advance a one-note kazoo song instead of a broad-spectrum philosophy and are animated more by intra-party guerilla purges than building plausible strategies to beat Democrats.

This turn is perhaps most ironic for moderate establishment Republicans. Those elites for years turned up their noses at those of us who are social conservatives, pouting at the lack of candidates who talked only about fiscal matters and kept divisive social matters locked in the policy closet. Now they have what they said they wanted – but they may like this new animal a lot less than they liked the Reagan conservatives who dominated primaries for the thirty years.

The genesis of the transformation of the Republican primary electorate is credited to the Tea Party movement that emerged in opposition to President Obama’s first two left-wing years, but the true catalyst came under a different president. It was latent dissatisfaction with George W. Bush’s unwillingness to fight Democrats over spending and his ever-present willingness to fight overseas that really birthed the Tea Party.

There is no denying that the Republican Party and the conservative movement needed the jolt of energy and fiscal policy rigor the Tea Party’s emergence demanded. It recalibrated internal expectations on fiscal conservative purity and it drove the populist grass-roots energy that took over the U.S. House in 2010.

National media analysts have yet to fully grasp this three-dimensional and asymmetrical debate in today’s GOP. It’s easier to write the old formulaic story about Neanderthal conservatives overpowering centrist conciliators. And too many of my fellow full spectrum conservatives, addicted to the siren of pitchfork rattling from any corner, are slow to grasp the challenge.

It remains to be seen whether the GOP’s ascendant libertarian wing can become as much a force in government as it is in campaigns – or even whether they can get along with each other for very long.

The challenge for Paulites is to decide if success is changing the nature of Republican campaigns or changing the laws and government of the United States of America. Changing the former, which they’ve done, is no guarantee of changing the latter.

The task for social and foreign policy conservatives is to wake up to the new internal competition before it’s too late. Conservatism will always rely on libertarian allies but it cannot survive a libertarian takeover.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...arian-takeover/?intcmp=obinsite#ixzz2Nf6fUshY
 
As a DemSoc, I find those on the libertarian right pretty troubling. Their economic policies cause a lot of harm to the working class and poor, but they've got popular rhetoric to excuse that, and don't carry the turn offs of a social conservative.
 
I agree with the idea that the left wing media (i.e., the part that is left wing... not that they all are) fail to appreciate the three parts of the GOP and I have pointed this out many times. They pretend it is moderate versus crazy Tea Party conservatives. But the divisions are social conservatives, hawks/neocons and libertarians. Much of the Tea Party was libertarian. Unfortunately, some of the nuttier social conservatives came up with the Tea Party. They are the toxic racist slugs that supported Palin and Santorum.

Rand Paul has been too cozy with them for my tastes and I did not really like his take on Benghazi. He needs to take a more cosmopolitan libertarian approach, imo. But he clearly outshined Rubio in the SOTU response, which was not hard. Maybe, this drone thing will bring it all to a head especially with neocon McCain and Graham picking a fight. If he'd throw the social conservatives under the bus and change his positions on abortion, I would be even happier.
 
I agree with the idea that the left wing media (i.e., the part that is left wing... not that they all are) fail to appreciate the three parts of the GOP and I have pointed this out many times. They pretend it is moderate versus crazy Tea Party conservatives. But the divisions are social conservatives, hawks/neocons and libertarians. Much of the Tea Party was libertarian. Unfortunately, some of the nuttier social conservatives came up with the Tea Party. They are the toxic racist slugs that supported Palin and Santorum.

Rand Paul has been too cozy with them for my tastes and I did not really like his take on Benghazi. He needs to take a more cosmopolitan libertarian approach, imo. But he clearly outshined Rubio in the SOTU response, which was not hard. Maybe, this drone thing will bring it all to a head especially with neocon McCain and Graham picking a fight. If he'd throw the social conservatives under the bus and change his positions on abortion, I would be even happier.

While I'd like to see Paul float towards the center a bit - by abandoning the social/neo cons and embracing a more Hayek-esque stance on welfare - , it's just not a good political strategy for him. He needs the more radical authoritarian wing of his party to move forward.
 
http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/15/4...-facebook-generation-gop-republican-cpac-2013

There’s a new crowd in town, and when they’re not shouting over Rand Paul, they’re standing up for him. And as they fill the halls of the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center in National Harbor, Maryland, they will help debate the GOP’s ideological future after its second consecutive defeat in search of the White House.

This is not the same party you saw on television at the 2012 Republican National Convention, which, if described in two words, would be "white" and "old." (Ornery supporters of Rand’s dad, Ron Paul, were infamously relegated to the convention’s hallways — there was no time for riff raff in the Republican establishment’s Mitt Romney parade.) But this conservative crowd is young, it’s loud, and it’s more liberal than the GOP establishment, which refuses to budge on an endless culture war that has dogged its success with young and diverse voters in recent election cycles.

While some of the younger Republicans I met wanted to go off the record for fear of offending higher powers, their thoughts about the future of conservatism and the GOP were clear before even arriving at CPAC. "It’s obvious," one young College Republican told me outside of Union Station in Washington, D.C., wearing a suit that could make the cover of the next edition of Celebrating Wasp Style. "The party needs to embrace gay marriage. Ask anybody in my group and they’ll tell you they support it." The young man was disgusted that Sarah Palin and Donald Trump — who he called "representatives of the past" — had been invited to speak. "They’re killing the party," he said.

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Paul’s keynote was preceded on stage by Marco Rubio (R-FL), another young Tea Party senator in the new Republican vogue. But unlike Paul’s remarks, Rubio’s speech was a psalm on the same kind of American exceptionalism that you’d hear from the party’s vigorously jingoistic wing. "Now as soon as I’m done speaking, I’ll tell you what the criticism on the left is gonna be... that he didn’t offer any new ideas," Rubio said. "And there’s the fallacy of it. We don’t need a new idea, there is an idea — the idea is called America, and it still works." That’s not the kind of self-aware indictment the party needs to reverse its stunning electoral defeat, but like other Republican platitudes, it sure feels good to hear.

Then there was Rand Paul. "The Republican party has to change," Paul said on stage, in his rare, vaguely southern accent. "The GOP of old has grown stale and moss covered," he said. "Our party is encumbered by an inconsistent approach to freedom. The new GOP will need to embrace liberty in both the economic and the personal sphere." Paul stroked the younger crowd in a way Rubio didn’t, pointing to their tech and intellectual savvy. "We need to jealously guard all our liberties," Paul said. "The ‘Facebook generation’ can detect falseness and hypocrisy a mile away. They want leaders that won’t feed them a line of crap, or sell them short. They aren't afraid of individual liberty. Ask the Facebook generation whether we should put a kid in jail for the nonviolent crime of drug use and you'll hear a resounding no."
 
I agree with the idea that the left wing media (i.e., the part that is left wing... not that they all are) fail to appreciate the three parts of the GOP and I have pointed this out many times. They pretend it is moderate versus crazy Tea Party conservatives. But the divisions are social conservatives, hawks/neocons and libertarians. Much of the Tea Party was libertarian. Unfortunately, some of the nuttier social conservatives came up with the Tea Party. They are the toxic racist slugs that supported Palin and Santorum.

Rand Paul has been too cozy with them for my tastes and I did not really like his take on Benghazi. He needs to take a more cosmopolitan libertarian approach, imo. But he clearly outshined Rubio in the SOTU response, which was not hard. Maybe, this drone thing will bring it all to a head especially with neocon McCain and Graham picking a fight. If he'd throw the social conservatives under the bus and change his positions on abortion, I would be even happier.

Famous quotes from the left :


“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson (D)

“You f*cking Jew b@stard.”
- Hillary Clinton(D)

“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
- Senator Fritz Hollings (D)

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.”
- Mike Wallace-Liberal Media Pinhead


Odd I never heard Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum ever say anything even approaching this kind of racism.
 
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Famous quotes from the left :


“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson (D)

“You f*cking Jew b@stard.”
- Hillary Clinton(D)

“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
- Senator Fritz Hollings (D)

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.”
- Mike Wallace-Liberal Media Pinhead


Odd I never heard Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum ever say anything even approaching this kind of racism.

I'd like citation for those quotes.
 
Nova...

WTF does any of that have to do with this thread, you racist you racist pos?

Maybe because you posted this:

I agree with the idea that the left wing media (i.e., the part that is left wing... not that they all are) fail to appreciate the three parts of the GOP and I have pointed this out many times. They pretend it is moderate versus crazy Tea Party conservatives. But the divisions are social conservatives, hawks/neocons and libertarians. Much of the Tea Party was libertarian. Unfortunately, some of the nuttier social conservatives came up with the Tea Party. They are the toxic racist slugs that supported Palin and Santorum.

Rand Paul has been too cozy with them for my tastes and I did not really like his take on Benghazi. He needs to take a more cosmopolitan libertarian approach, imo. But he clearly outshined Rubio in the SOTU response, which was not hard. Maybe, this drone thing will bring it all to a head especially with neocon McCain and Graham picking a fight. If he'd throw the social conservatives under the bus and change his positions on abortion, I would be even happier.

And he counterd with this:

Famous quotes from the left :


“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson (D)

“You f*cking Jew b@stard.”
- Hillary Clinton(D)

“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
- Senator Fritz Hollings (D)

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.”
- Mike Wallace-Liberal Media Pinhead


Odd I never heard Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum ever say anything even approaching this kind of racism.

How does him posting comments from Democrat's, make him a racist pos?
 
Maybe because you posted this:

And he counterd with this:

How does him posting comments from Democrat's, make him a racist pos?

This thread is not about Democrats or how they are better than Republicans. His knee jerk stupidity is not relevant.

The quotes are mostly unsubstantiated bs that he probably found on stormfront, none are from this century, two of the people are dead and only one of them has the slightest relvance to current politics. The Hillary quote was from a book written by a former reporter for the Enquirer. This racist post is still licking his wounds from the civil rights era and that is why he brings up this ancient bullshit.
 
This thread is not about Democrats or how they are better than Republicans. His knee jerk stupidity is not relevant.

The quotes are mostly unsubstantiated bs that he probably found on stormfront, none are from this century, two of the people are dead and only one of them has the slightest relvance to current politics. The Hillary quote was from a book written by a former reporter for the Enquirer. This racist post is still licking his wounds from the civil rights era and that is why he brings up this ancient bullshit.

So you deny that it has anything to do with your comment of:

"...They are the toxic racist slugs that supported Palin and Santorum..."

I've yet to see you refute even one of the posted comments. :palm:
 
This thread is not about Democrats or how they are better than Republicans. His knee jerk stupidity is not relevant.

The quotes are mostly unsubstantiated bs that he probably found on stormfront, none are from this century, two of the people are dead and only one of them has the slightest relvance to current politics. The Hillary quote was from a book written by a former reporter for the Enquirer. This racist post is still licking his wounds from the civil rights era and that is why he brings up this ancient bullshit.

And besides all that, I did not say Palin or Santorum were racist.
 
And you still refuse to accept that his comment occured, AFTER you decided to broach the subject and make it part of the thread.
Is lying about your behavior just a normal part of your character, or do you just utilize it on the internet?

I did not lie about anything.
 
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