J.K. Rowling's feud with some of Harry Potter's cast regarding transgender rights

[Scott]

J.K. Rowling's views on transgender people is not new. I even made a thread about them on this site in the past, here:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

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February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
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However, they've recently been brought back into the spotlight after Emma Watson talked about her a bit in a podcast and J.K. Rowling responded. An article on the subject that I thought was pretty good:

J.K. Rowling and Emma Watson rift explained: Why the former 'Harry Potter' collaborators are feuding

'Harry Potter' author J.K. Rowling has harsh words for Emma Watson, saying the Hermione actress is "ignorant of how ignorant she is." Here's the rift between the former collaborators, explained.

ew.com

I think my favourite part of the article is this part:
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Touching on Watson's recent podcast interview, Rowling continued, "The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me — a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was — I might never have been this honest."

In a reply to an X user who commented on her post, Rowling says she would've been "entirely supportive" if Watson had contacted her privately. "What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old," she writes.

A representative for Watson didn't immediately respond to Entertainment Weekly's request for comment.

What have other Harry Potter collaborators said about J.K. Rowling?​

Following Rowling's 2020 essay, several of the author's collaborators on the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts films affirmed their support for the trans community. They included Watson and Radcliffe, as well as Rupert Grint, Evanna Lynch, Chris Rankin, Bonnie Wright, Katie Leung, and Eddie Redmayne, among others.

Amid the backlash, Ralph Fiennes and Helena Bonham Carter, who played Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange, defended Rowling without expressing support for her views. Fiennes decried the "verbal abuse" directed at Rowling as "disgusting" and "appalling," while Bonham Carter said Rowling has been "hounded."

"She's allowed her opinion, particularly if she's suffered abuse," Bonham Carter added. "Everybody carries their own history of trauma and forms their opinions from that trauma and you have to respect where people come from and their pain. You don't all have to agree on everything — that would be insane and boring. She's not meaning it aggressively, she's just saying something out of her own experience."
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I think both J.K. and Emma have made mistakes here. Here's to hoping that their relationship gets better in the future. Constructive comments welcome.

 

[Yakuda]

J.K. Rowling's views on transgender people is not new. I even made a thread about them on this site in the past, here:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

However, they've recently been brought back into the spotlight after Emma Watson talked about her a bit in a podcast and J.K. Rowling responded. An article on the subject that I thought was pretty good:

J.K. Rowling and Emma Watson rift explained: Why the former 'Harry Potter' collaborators are feuding

'Harry Potter' author J.K. Rowling has harsh words for Emma Watson, saying the Hermione actress is "ignorant of how ignorant she is." Here's the rift between the former collaborators, explained.

ew.com

I think my favourite part of the article is this part:
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Touching on Watson's recent podcast interview, Rowling continued, "The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me — a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was — I might never have been this honest."

In a reply to an X user who commented on her post, Rowling says she would've been "entirely supportive" if Watson had contacted her privately. "What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old," she writes.

A representative for Watson didn't immediately respond to Entertainment Weekly's request for comment.

What have other Harry Potter collaborators said about J.K. Rowling?​

Following Rowling's 2020 essay, several of the author's collaborators on the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts films affirmed their support for the trans community. They included Watson and Radcliffe, as well as Rupert Grint, Evanna Lynch, Chris Rankin, Bonnie Wright, Katie Leung, and Eddie Redmayne, among others.

Amid the backlash, Ralph Fiennes and Helena Bonham Carter, who played Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange, defended Rowling without expressing support for her views. Fiennes decried the "verbal abuse" directed at Rowling as "disgusting" and "appalling," while Bonham Carter said Rowling has been "hounded."

"She's allowed her opinion, particularly if she's suffered abuse," Bonham Carter added. "Everybody carries their own history of trauma and forms their opinions from that trauma and you have to respect where people come from and their pain. You don't all have to agree on everything — that would be insane and boring. She's not meaning it aggressively, she's just saying something out of her own experience."
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I think both J.K. and Emma have made mistakes here. Here's to hoping that their relationship gets better in the future. Constructive comments welcome.

First what's with "...shes allowed her opinion, particularly she's suffered abuse..."?????? Then goes in to say "Everybody carries their own history of trauma and forms their opinions from that trauma ...."???? They do?
Second, what mistakes did Rowling's make?

 

[Scott]

First what's with "...shes allowed her opinion, particularly she's suffered abuse..."?????? Then goes in to say "Everybody carries their own history of trauma and forms their opinions from that trauma ...."???? They do?

I think this case is pretty complicated. I believe I agree with J.K. in part and I believe I agree with Emma and others in the Harry Potter cast in part as well. If you want to get the nuances in my view, I recommend you take a look at the thread on Rowling I did before:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

 

[Yakuda]

I think this case is pretty complicated. I believe I agree with J.K. in part and I believe I agree with Emma and others in the Harry Potter cast in part as well. If you want to get the nuances in my view, I recommend you take a look at the thread on Rowling I did before:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

Complicated how? Rowling said stuff pampered woke actors and actresses didn't like. Now Watson is realizing, as many people are, that this woke shit isn't playing anymore and is trying to make amends. If i was rowling I said fuck off. Not complicated at all.

 

[Scott]

Complicated how? Rowling said stuff pampered woke actors and actresses didn't like. Now Watson is realizing, as many people are, that this woke shit isn't playing anymore and is trying to make amends. If i was rowling I said fuck off. Not complicated at all.

Saying "fuck off" doesn't resolve anything. There needs to be more dialogue on all of this. That's what my first thread on Rowling was about. For the audience, that thread can be seen here:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

 

[Yakuda]

Saying "fuck off" doesn't resolve anything. There needs to be more dialogue on all of this. That's what my first thread on Rowling was about. For the audience, that thread can be seen here:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

What dialogue? Disagree with the leftist narrative and you're labeled as having a phobia or an ism or you're just some kind of ist. Stop it.

 

[Scott]

Saying "fuck off" doesn't resolve anything. There needs to be more dialogue on all of this. That's what my first thread on Rowling was about. For the audience, that thread can be seen here:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

What dialogue? Disagree with the leftist narrative and you're labeled as having a phobia or an ism or you're just some kind of ist. Stop it.

Please, take a look at the thread I keep mentioning. I believe it's a great example of how dialogue -can- be done. Again, it's here:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

 

[gfm7175]

I think both J.K. and Emma have made mistakes here. Here's to hoping that their relationship gets better in the future. Constructive comments welcome.

Constructive comment: There is no such thing as "transgender" to begin with. Humans only have TWO genders: male and female.

 

[Scott]

Constructive comment: There is no such thing as "transgender" to begin with. Humans only have TWO genders: male and female.

You're stuck in an older definition of the word. From Wikipedia's introduction to the word:
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Gender is the range of social, psychological, cultural, and behavioral aspects of being a man (or boy), woman (or girl), or third gender. Although gender often corresponds to sex, a transgender person may identify with a gender other than their sex assigned at birth. Most cultures use a gender binary, in which gender is divided into two categories, and people are considered part of one or the other; those who are outside these groups may fall under the umbrella term non-binary. Some societies have third genders (and fourth genders, etc.) such as the hijras of South Asia and two-spirit persons native to North America. Most scholars agree that gender is a central characteristic for social organization; this may include social constructs (i.e. gender roles) as well as gender expression.

The word has been used as a synonym for sex, and the balance between these usages has shifted over time. In the mid-20th century, a terminological distinction in modern English (known as the sex and gender distinction) between biological sex and gender began to develop in the academic areas of psychology, sociology, sexology, and feminism. Before the mid-20th century, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories. In the West, in the 1970s, feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. The distinction between gender and sex is made by most contemporary social scientists in Western countries, behavioral scientists and biologists, many legal systems and government bodies, and intergovernmental agencies such as the WHO. The experiences of intersex people also testify to the complexity of sex and gender; female, male, and other gender identities are experienced across the many divergences of sexual difference.

The social sciences have a branch devoted to gender studies. Other sciences, such as psychology, sociology, sexology, and neuroscience, are interested in the subject. The social sciences sometimes approach gender as a social construct, and gender studies particularly does, while research in the natural sciences investigates whether biological differences in females and males influence the development of gender in humans; both inform the debate about how far biological differences influence the formation of gender identity and gendered behavior. Biopsychosocial approaches to gender include biological, psychological, and social/cultural aspects.
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Source:

Gender - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hawkeye10]

Molly Ringwald took it one step further by jamming John Hughes for his The Breakfast Club script, the part where Judd Nelson gets under the table and looks at her crotch.....after Hughes was dead... "I just cant understand how he could do that".

But it did not play well so at the 40th anniversary reunion she gushed about Hughes and did not mention her previous complaints.....I think she was trying to score cheap WOKE points talking bad about a person who had a lot to do with her fame.....much as Watson is. This seems to be a thing with Hollywood slime.

 

[Scott]

Molly Ringwald took it one step further by jamming John Hughes for his The Breakfast Club script, the part where Judd Nelson gets under the table and looks at her crotch.....after Hughes was dead... "I just cant understand how he could do that".

But it did not play well so at the 40th anniversary reunion she gushed about Hughes and did not mention her previous complaints.....I think she was trying to score cheap WOKE points talking bad about a person who had a lot to do with her fame.....much as Watson is. This seems to be a thing with Hollywood slime.

I don't know much about Molly, but I've seen enough of Emma Watson to think she's an ok person. Has she made mistakes? Sure. I think J.K. Rowling has brought some of them up. But I also think that Rowling herself has made mistakes. I haven't actually reard the tweet that Rowling wrote after Emma's interview, but just from what I've read second hand, I'm pretty sure she went too far. But I think I understand the gist of what she was -trying- to say, that being that Emma wasn't there for her when she needed her. It is my sincere hope that Rowling and Emma work out their differences.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

I think this case is pretty complicated. I believe I agree with J.K. in part and I believe I agree with Emma and others in the Harry Potter cast in part as well. If you want to get the nuances in my view, I recommend you take a look at the thread on Rowling I did before:

Thread 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | The Free Press'

Feb 14, 2023

Just finished reading this article, thought it was quite good and perhaps worth a bit of discussion. Quoting the introduction and the conclusion...

**
‘You could not have misunderstood me more profoundly.’ A new audio series featuring extensive interviews with the world’s most successful author.

MEGAN PHELPS-ROPER

February 14, 2023

J.K. Rowling is arguably the most successful author in the history of publishing, with the possible exception of God. And “Harry Potter” was a kind of bible for my generation. Since its publication beginning in the late ’90s, the series has taught...

• Scott
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Current Events Forum

it's not complicated.

and why didn't you just say Emma Watson in the thread title?

so often you teeter on sensefullness, then you crash out with absurdities at the margin.

what's up Scott?

do you need to talk about it?

 

[Scott]

it's not complicated.

and why didn't you just say Emma Watson in the thread title?

Because J.K.'s feud isn't just with Emma on the Harry Potter Cast. From the article that I quoted in the opening post:
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Following Rowling's 2020 essay, several of the author's collaborators on the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts films affirmed their support for the trans community. They included Watson and Radcliffe, as well as Rupert Grint, Evanna Lynch, Chris Rankin, Bonnie Wright, Katie Leung, and Eddie Redmayne, among others.
**

Source:

J.K. Rowling and Emma Watson rift explained: Why the former 'Harry Potter' collaborators are feuding

'Harry Potter' author J.K. Rowling has harsh words for Emma Watson, saying the Hermione actress is "ignorant of how ignorant she is." Here's the rift between the former collaborators, explained.

ew.com

That being said, I strongly suspect that of all the characters that criticized Rowling, the one that stung most for her was Emma's, which I imagine is why Rowling wrote that long tweet following Emma's mention of Rowling in an interview.