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Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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but something needs to be done about immigration and there is no consensus

do we want to take control of our borders and who lives in the us of a or what

some illegal immigrants are hard working and otherwise law abiding

others are criminals (other than breaking immigration laws)

who is profiting from the paralysis regarding immigration
 
DonQuixote said:
but something needs to be done about immigration and there is no consensus

do we want to take control of our borders and who lives in the us of a or what

some illegal immigrants are hard working and otherwise law abiding

others are criminals (other than breaking immigration laws)

who is profiting from the paralysis regarding immigration
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Everybody but lower working class americans.

But it is a sign of things to come for all americans. The i.t. industry especially is already an indicator of what will happen to all americans due to corporate greed. If the labor market in your country dictates a high wage for you, corprations will seek to alter immigration laws to manipulate the labor market in it's favor.

The new world order is strictly hierarchical, and it is impermissible for a skilled and gifted programmer to make more than his incompetent manager.

The internationalist fascists only believe in respecting market forces when they're in their favor.
 
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Corporations which benifit from the cheap labor.
Until recently latinos were courted by the right.

The right will regret going after the undocumented workers in this country the way they have. The latino population is growig fast and they are going to see the republican party the same way the blacks see the republican party.

The republicans may try to target latinos the same way they target black voters but it will not go unnoticed. America is on to their vote caging game and even if the media refuses to report it it will become their trade mark. They wont be able to keep it up and when they fall for their cheating the party will never revcover. The people dont need the main stream media to see what is real and the main stream media better be careful or they will become nothing but a laughing stock if they already are not (with exception of a few people like Olberman).
 
Right, Desh. You can tell how they are "targeting" them by Bush threatening to veto a bill that removes funding for the trucks. By the way that he has done almost nothing on the border, etc.
 
Damocles said:
Right, Desh. You can tell how they are "targeting" them by Bush threatening to veto a bill that removes funding for the trucks. By the way that he has done almost nothing on the border, etc.
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Interesting comment...while at the Reno Air Races today I and the kids took in the static display of Aircraft...I could not help but wander over to the 'Black Helo'/Lear Jet display by Us Customs/Border Patrol...While talking to my fellow comrades who are 'we' oldies replacements...I asked them how they felt about the Illegal Immigration/Drug Smuggling of today...They all (6 of them) said they wished they served back when I did...1975 -1980's..when we were supported by our superiors..."a really sad state of affairs!"


I just wish guys and gals like this could say this in the open without risking their careers...sad really!
 
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DonQuixote said:
but something needs to be done about immigration and there is no consensus

do we want to take control of our borders and who lives in the us of a or what

some illegal immigrants are hard working and otherwise law abiding

others are criminals (other than breaking immigration laws)

who is profiting from the paralysis regarding immigration
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Here's a question for the pondering. If there is no consensus -- and I agree that there is not -- then should anything drastic be done?
 
AssHatZombie said:
Everybody but lower working class americans.

But it is a sign of things to come for all americans. The i.t. industry especially is already an indicator of what will happen to all americans due to corporate greed. If the labor market in your country dictates a high wage for you, corprations will seek to alter immigration laws to manipulate the labor market in it's favor.

The new world order is strictly hierarchical, and it is impermissible for a skilled and gifted programmer to make more than his incompetent manager.

The internationalist fascists only believe in respecting market forces when they're in their favor.
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ahz

out sourcing to india is no longer economical. it seems that due to a lack of qualified technical personel that speak good american english, the wages that they can demand have risen to the point where it is becoming less and less economical.

of course, there are other nations on the waiting list but they have similar problems.

soon, there will be no other nations to out source to...

oh well, can we say globalization...
 
We don't have an illegal alien problem, we have an illegal hiring problem. Quit hiring the illegals and they will go home. It's easier to crack down on those who hire than to try to put a bandaid on our borders. Cheap labor is at the core or the Republicon party and until we make them a small minority, the middle class will continue to shrink. FDR called them economic royalists and every so often we have to put them in their place.
 
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ahz

out sourcing to india is no longer economical. it seems that due to a lack of qualified technical personel that speak good american english, the wages that they can demand have risen to the point where it is becoming less and less economical.

of course, there are other nations on the waiting list but they have similar problems.

soon, there will be no other nations to out source to...

oh well, can we say globalization...
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It still occurs regularly. china stays cheap because of human slavery. Globalization will fail.
 
Desh said:
Corporations which benifit from the cheap labor.
Until recently latinos were courted by the right.

The right will regret going after the undocumented workers in this country the way they have. The latino population is growig fast and they are going to see the republican party the same way the blacks see the republican party.

The republicans may try to target latinos the same way they target black voters but it will not go unnoticed. America is on to their vote caging game and even if the media refuses to report it it will become their trade mark. They wont be able to keep it up and when they fall for their cheating the party will never revcover. The people dont need the main stream media to see what is real and the main stream media better be careful or they will become nothing but a laughing stock if they already are not (with exception of a few people like Olberman).
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Desh I live in Southern NEw Mexico with a population that is over 50% latino. If you want to hear a huge group of people who REALLY want the borders sealed you should talk to them. They want EVERY SINGLE immigrant to come over here legally. Latinos here use the word "mojado" meaning wet or wetback more than I ever hear whites. Mexican Americans do NOT see themselves as the same as Mexican immigrants. Hell one of our associates here in the office is from Ciudad Chihuahua and says that when Mexican Americans find out he is from Mexico they go cold on him. So don't be so sure they are mad at the Republicans about immigration in any way other than they have done nothing to curb it.
 
Crash get real.........

Crashk said:
We don't have an illegal alien problem, we have an illegal hiring problem. Quit hiring the illegals and they will go home. It's easier to crack down on those who hire than to try to put a bandaid on our borders. Cheap labor is at the core or the Republicon party and until we make them a small minority, the middle class will continue to shrink. FDR called them economic royalists and every so often we have to put them in their place.
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There are just as many Dem 'richy riches' who own businesses and hire cheap labor! This is a non-partisan issue!
 
Companies that hire illegals should give them all the same benefits and pay as if they were American workers. They do equal work right?

Remove the incetnive for them to hire illegals and they will stop.
 
Yep work the illegal problem from the top down.
Some real penalties for knowingly hiring illegals.
Like no govt contracts for one.
 
Damocles said:
Right, Desh. You can tell how they are "targeting" them by Bush threatening to veto a bill that removes funding for the trucks. By the way that he has done almost nothing on the border, etc.
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Do you think that is for the Latino vote he is doing this?

That is for the Corps he is vetoing it.

Latinos will now repluse from the R party because of the venom spewed for looks against them.

The R party only talks the immigrant thing to keep the party base riled up they do not intend to do anything to stop it because its good for business.

They dont want it solved.
 
Desh said:
Do you think that is for the Latino vote he is doing this?

That is for the Corps he is vetoing it.

Latinos will now repluse from the R party because of the venom spewed for looks against them.

The R party only talks the immigrant thing to keep the party base riled up they do not intend to do anything to stop it because its good for business.

They dont want it solved.
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Nobody appears to want it solved. The Congress, Democrat Controlled voted 411 to 3 against the trucks, the Senate 74 to 85 against them, Bush uses one of his few vetoes to simply reject anything they have to say.

Now, which one is catering to what they actually want? Those who vote against the trucks, or those who refuse to listen to them?
 
Ahh I see Mitch Mcconnel voted to allow Mexican truckers out of the restricted Zone, this will be good to use against him here, KY has many biggoted redeneck truckers....
 
uscitizen said:
Ahh I see Mitch Mcconnel voted to allow Mexican truckers out of the restricted Zone, this will be good to use against him here, KY has many biggoted redeneck truckers....
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I thought the left would support the union. They are being undercut and are largely against this activity because of the huge price differential.
 
Wanting the trucks fully inspected and not at just the American peoples cost is not unreasonable.

One of the ways to stop illegal immigration is to have FAIR trade with Mexico.
 
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