Legalize All Drugs...

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Makes the ganglia twitch.
I ran across this today and thought it might provide some interesting conversation (yeah I know...ever hopeful).. here is a film just out that talks about this subject.

Breaking the Taboo....


Published on Dec 6, 2012
Narrated by Oscar winning actor Morgan Freeman, "Breaking the Taboo" is produced by Sam Branson's indie Sundog Pictures and Brazilian co-production partner Spray Filmes and was directed by Cosmo Feilding Mellen and Fernando Grostein Andrade. Featuring interviews with several current or former presidents from around the world, such as Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, the film follows The Global Commission on Drug Policy on a mission to break the political taboo over the United States led War on Drugs and expose what it calls the biggest failure of global policy in the last 40 years.

and I found this just now...

The War on Drugs has been lost, lost long ago. Destined to be a losing proposition from its inception. It is past time for us to recognize this simply fact, and alleviate the massive harm that the WOD is inflicting upon the American people by ending it.

The plain, pure, simple fact of the matter is that a vast majority of humanity feels the need to alter their state of consciousness at some point or another, with various drugs. Prohibiting those drugs is not going to change human nature, but rather force people to endure all sorts of dangers in order to fulfill that need.

Worse, we are losing our country, our civil liberties to this prohibition. All the time while enriching the national security and prison industries needlessly.

If you look at other experiments in legalization, you will see that they are successful. Britain has legalized heroin and look what's happened. A heroin addict gets up in the morning, goes downtown on the tube, stops in at a NHS office, gets his clean, legal shot of heroin. He then goes to work, is a productive, tax paying citizen, gets off work, goes back by NHS to get his evening shot, goes home and is a law abiding citizen at home. No need to rob or assault to get money to feed his habit, no need to place him on the public jailhouse support system, and if he wants help for his addiction, since there is no longer any legal stigma, he can get his addiction treated for what it truly is, a health issue.

The same applies to meth. Do you think meth addicts want to ingest a product that has been made in a back room, that consists of battery acid, sulphur and other toxic ingredients? No, they are ingesting meth because they can't get pharmaceutical grade amphetamines. Why do they want that? Well, meth, speed, those are working class drugs, drugs for the poor. They allow that poor fellow to continue to schlup his ass to two or three jobs he needs just to get by in this world. Perhaps if we started addressing the root problems of drug use, poverty and such, we would actually lower the rate of drug use.

But until we do, it only makes sense to legalize all drugs. There are several advantages. First, we would stop the massive crime wave that is associated with the current drug world. No need to shoot innocents, no need to rob or murder if you can get your drugs legally and cheaply.

Second, we can remove the stigma of illegality from drugs, and treat them as what they really are, a public health problem. We can tax drugs, and use those revenues to provide much needed attention to the problem of drug addiction. The funny thing is, in countries that have legalize drugs, even hard ones, the rate of drug use goes down because that aura of glamor and danger that surrounds drugs, that aura that appeals to many a rebellious youth, is gone, no more rebellious than your old man drinking a beer. Furthermore, with legal drugs comes clean drugs. During alcohol prohibition, far too many people died from bathtub gin, under today's drug prohibition, far too many people are dying from drugs they cooked up for themselves, the modern equivalent of bathtub gin. Safe, legalized pharmaceutical grade drugs would go a long way to alleviate the suffering, and health problems, of drug users.

Third, we would get our civil liberties back, and stop our progress along this road we're traveling down towards a police state.

Prohibition hasn't worked in the past, in fact it has only made things worse. Why not learn from that, and end this prohibition against all drugs. We would be better off as a country, as a society.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021950651#post5

If you're interested you can follow the discussion there at the link.

Portugal has done a good job with this and I think we could too.
 
Yes I'm aware of meth but there is more to it than faces. Meth is a poor persons drug. This was part of the linked discussion...

Well, lots of recreational substances, and actions, destroy your body,

Some of them just as fast as meth.

As to your question, the UK and other countries with various legalized drugs generally have a better social safety net. The thing is however, people who are addicted in this country are already using and abusing government assistance because they are spending all of their money on black market drugs. In my younger days I lived in, well, let's say an interesting neighborhood. I had a neighbor who was actually quite a nice guy, but terribly hooked on prescription downers, drugs like oxy and such. Of course, like many addicts, he dealt as well, but also spent all that money he made, a few thousand a week, on his habit. Since he wasn't working above board, he qualified for all sorts of government programs and used them.

Legalized drugs would be much cheaper, and by treating drug addiction as a health problem with no criminal stigma, more people would be getting help and getting well.

As far as the money issues go, well, taxing the drugs would work well. Take pot. If you are running a legal, legit dope market, it's going to take probably a buck a pound to produce pot. It is, after all, a weed that grows anywhere and is no harder to cultivate and process than any other plant. By the time it gets through the wholesaler, distribution and various other middlemen, the corner store is going to probably charge fifteen, twenty dollars an ounce. Tack on another twenty dollars per ounce in taxes, and at forty bucks an ounce, that dope is going to fly off the shelves, since last I knew, and it's been many a year, good bud is going for around one hundred an ounce.

Now, let's do some math. The estimated amount of dope smoked in this country is currently running somewhere between twenty and twenty five thousand tons each year. Let's take the low side of that, twenty thousand tons. At a tax rate of twenty dollars per ounce, that works out to be 12.8 billion dollars that you can use for education and treatment. That's just revenue from dope alone. You can easily double or triple that amount when you tax the various other drugs in the same manner, namely in a large amount, but with a total price that is significantly below the current black market price.

Furthermore, since you're going to be keeping people out of jail, a lot of revenue that is currently going into prisons can be diverted to treatment and education as well. Start subtracting the costs to society that come from the secondary crime wave that prohibition brings, start adding the jobs and revenue that an entire new industry will bring in, and I think there will be plenty of money for full treatment and education, and much more.

However I do agree, we just have got to cut our military budget.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021950651#post5
 
So when you said "legalize all drugs", you didn't mean "legalize meth"?
 
The discussion is, hopefully, legalize all drugs and yes that would include meth. As disgusting as it is I think we need to decriminalize drugs and end the drug war. I think this for many reasons which I won't be able to go into tonight. I'm hoping to pick this up with more energy tomorrow. Have you watched the film yet? The discussion I linked to is a very informative one btw.
 
The discussion is, hopefully, legalize all drugs and yes that would include meth. As disgusting as it is I think we need to decriminalize drugs and end the drug war. I think this for many reasons which I won't be able to go into tonight. I'm hoping to pick this up with more energy tomorrow. Have you watched the film yet? The discussion I linked to is a very informative one btw.

You think meth should be legal?
 
I think we need to end the drug war. You obviously disagree...I'm asking you to read up and watch the film...think about it. For the most part I hope to be able to explore it in an informed discussion...a lot to ask but there it is.
 
I think we need to end the drug war. You obviously disagree...I'm asking you to read up and watch the film...think about it. For the most part I hope to be able to explore it in an informed discussion...a lot to ask but there it is.

Why do you think drugs should be legalized?
 
The discussion is, hopefully, legalize all drugs and yes that would include meth. As disgusting as it is I think we need to decriminalize drugs and end the drug war. I think this for many reasons which I won't be able to go into tonight. I'm hoping to pick this up with more energy tomorrow. Have you watched the film yet? The discussion I linked to is a very informative one btw.

The reason is simple. What people do to themselves is not the business of the state. Ergo, all should be legal.
 
The reason is simple. What people do to themselves is not the business of the state. Ergo, all should be legal.

Who will care for the people who ruin their health with drugs?

The ones who can't or won't work anymore?

The families that are left destitute by breadwinners addicted to drugs?

The victims of accidents caused by stoned drivers?

Are you saying society won't pay a tremendous cost for legalization?
 
I believe that one of the reasons that drugs are so popular is the anarchic and clandestine element associated with them. Making them legal would result in an initial increase but over time once they are legal that would no longer be the case. It would also at a stroke put the cartels out of business, in Afghanistan they could buy up all the poppy crops and use it to make heroin, codeine and morphine legally to medical standards. I have some material which I'll post later about the reasons why Afghanistan first started growing poppies.
 
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Should pilots, bus drivers, police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, soldiers, and other people whose reactions and judgment society relies on be allowed to partake of the hedonistic libertarian drug-fest?
 
Should pilots, bus drivers, police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, soldiers, and other people whose reactions and judgment society relies on be allowed to partake of the hedonistic libertarian drug-fest?

There is no reason to treat it any different than alcohol, prescription or over the counter drugs.
 
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