Lets Compare Conservataive Nations with Liberal ones.
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Wow, Denmark falls on the scale nearby to where I would in Political Compass...
I should look at them again.
Badnarick nearly sits on top of where I am, according to their graphs. He is a nutjob though. "Driver's licenses are unconstitutional".. Where would he get that crap from?
I should look at them again.
Badnarick nearly sits on top of where I am, according to their graphs. He is a nutjob though. "Driver's licenses are unconstitutional".. Where would he get that crap from?
I never said you are a conservative.
We have to estabish standards first. I think the Scandanavian countries, as well as other liberal Democracies closely approximate Liberal ideology in general.
Now:
(american) Conservative ideology: Small, weak national government, minimal to non-existant regulation or taxes, no significant public funding of science/education/public welfare (the free market and charity can do it); no public health care system or public retirement pensions.
Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan come to mind under these standards.
Now:
(american) Conservative ideology: Small, weak national government, minimal to non-existant regulation or taxes, no significant public funding of science/education/public welfare (the free market and charity can do it); no public health care system or public retirement pensions.
Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan come to mind under these standards.
We have to estabish standards first. I think the Scandanavian countries, as well as other liberal Democracies closely approximate Liberal ideology in general.
Now:
(american) Conservative ideology: Small, weak national government, minimal to non-existant regulation or taxes, no significant public funding of science/education/public welfare (the free market and charity can do it); no public health care system or public retirement pensions.
Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan come to mind under these standards.
I couldn't disagree more.
LOL small weak national government? They are spending like 2.6Trillion per year.
Regulation of taxes is minimal? How so?
no significant public funding of science/education/public welfare? Look at the numbers.
Epicurus
Reasonable
Agreed.
We have to estabish standards first. I think the Scandanavian countries, as well as other liberal Democracies closely approximate Liberal ideology in general.
Now:
(american) Conservative ideology: Small, weak national government, minimal to non-existant regulation or taxes, no significant public funding of science/education/public welfare (the free market and charity can do it); no public health care system or public retirement pensions.
Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan come to mind under these standards.
Dont forget to add the social aspect. Nations that have the death penality, regulate sexuality, and limit freedoms of women are also socially conservative.
cawacko
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And what about "classic liberals" which is what many conservatives are today?
Explain yourself.
Epicurus
Reasonable
He's probably asking which nations lean towards classical liberalism, though I disagree with his premise that it became modern day conservatism.
The question was about ideology. Not party. If the republican party betrayed the conservative ideology, interesting, but not the issue.
Conservative ideology in its modern american form, is outlined in my previous post.
TheDanold
Unimatrix
Those countries are not Conservative, they are either authoritarian, anarchistic or in civil war. You want a Conservative nation try Singapore, New Zealand is fairly up there too.
There aren't many, once nations get wealthy, they often turn to a slow slide to government dependence lead by those who use that magic line of:
"Well I think we are a rich enough society where people shouldn't have to go without _____" Then government provides _____ and delusioned Liberals pretend that it was government growth that created that prosperity to begin with.
There aren't many, once nations get wealthy, they often turn to a slow slide to government dependence lead by those who use that magic line of:
"Well I think we are a rich enough society where people shouldn't have to go without _____" Then government provides _____ and delusioned Liberals pretend that it was government growth that created that prosperity to begin with.
uscitizen
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TheDanold
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No I have clearly said that is where Liberalism leads and I base that on the fact that I have challenged Liberals numerous times to define where they stop growing government and where their end goal is and they have repeatedly failed to establish a known tangible stopping point.
A Liberal is like a guy driving down Socialism Road or more regulation and more government, and deludes himself into thinking that because he is going in first gear he can't possibly end up at the same location.
By interventionist policies and more regulation, industry is not drastically nationalized but it is slowly poisoned and will predicatably fail (look at healthcare, which has had nothing but more and more regulations piled on it).
Then the same Liberals cry that the "free" market failed and proceed with the same ends of Socialism with having government take over. You already see this in countries that are at a more advanced stage of leftism with national daycare programs or public car insurance and who knows what comes next? It certainly doesn't end is the only really important point.
Read this if you really want to understand more:
http://www.mises.org/story/2370
Well, let's see. Syria is Ba'athist, correct? That is a form of socialism. Would you list them as "conservative" because it is inconvenient to recognize socialism as a left-leaning thing?
If we use Jarod's thing, this liberal country of Syria is excluded from his list why?
If we use Jarod's thing, this liberal country of Syria is excluded from his list why?
I knew you'd have some stupid, tapdancing spin for that.
A liberal is not "a guy driving down socialism road," any more than a modern conservative is a guy driving down facism road.
Liberalism & Socialism are two completely different political philosophies. Educate yourself before you go off & with such wildly contradictory statements all of the time...
A liberal is not "a guy driving down socialism road," any more than a modern conservative is a guy driving down facism road.
Liberalism & Socialism are two completely different political philosophies. Educate yourself before you go off & with such wildly contradictory statements all of the time...