liz cheney's shameful message

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Here's a video from Liz cheney's bully pulpit, keeping up the dry rot of fear and panic that swept through this country after 9/11.

Irony considering that her father Darth was one of the architects of the corruption.

Irony considering that the accused in this country, no matter how heinous, have the right to be represented by counsel.

Irony that cheney's video calls some of the lawyers "the al-Qaeda 7"... especially considering that in the earliest days of this country one of the most influential founders, John Adams, represented the British who were charged in the Boston Massacre.

Irony considering the the right of center SC found in favor of the lawyers who represented some of the terror suspects.
Obviously Liz cheney has no concept of shame. Unfortunately, there is a segment of the gullible who will be swayed by her assault on constitutional principles.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2WBidrvfRs&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Keep America Safe: The State of His Rhetoric[/ame]
 
Based on your post I feel I should already know the answer but what's liz cheney's connection here?
 
Here's a video from Liz cheney's bully pulpit, keeping up the dry rot of fear and panic that swept through this country after 9/11.

Irony considering that her father Darth was one of the architects of the corruption.

Irony considering that the accused in this country, no matter how heinous, have the right to be represented by counsel.

Irony that cheney's video calls some of the lawyers "the al-Qaeda 7"... especially considering that in the earliest days of this country one of the most influential founders, John Adams, represented the British who were charged in the Boston Massacre.

Irony considering the the right of center SC found in favor of the lawyers who represented some of the terror suspects.
Obviously Liz cheney has no concept of shame. Unfortunately, there is a segment of the gullible who will be swayed by her assault on constitutional principles.

Most of us don't do mind reading....

one of the architects of the corruption.????

What corruption ??

the accused in this country, have the right to be represented by counse ??

Correct...IN being the operative word...and they ARE..so whats your point ?

cheney's video calls some of the lawyers "the al-Qaeda 7"???

So what ? Do they have another label they prefer? is 6 or 8 better? again, whats your point?

SC found in favor of the lawyers who represented some of the terror suspects.??

In favor of what...WTF are you talking about? Were the lawyers accused of something? On trial for something?


her assault on constitutional principles.???

What constitutional principles are did she "assault"....???
 
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Most of us don't do mind reading....

one of the architects of the corruption.????

What corruption ??

the accused in this country, have the right to be represented by counse ??

Correct...IN being the operative word...and they ARE..so whats your point ?

cheney's video calls some of the lawyers "the al-Qaeda 7"???

So what ? Do they have another label they prefer? is 6 or 8 better? again, whats your point?

SC found in favor of the lawyers who represented some of the terror suspects.??

In favor of what...WTF are you talking about? Were the lawyers accused of something? On trial for something?


her assault on constitutional principles.???

What constitutional principles are did she "assault"....???

Come back after you've sobered up. I can't be bothered interpreting the English language for you.
 
She's a lover of big government like her father. She attacks these lawyers who were only offering their services in seeing that justice is served. The intent of calling them the "al-Qaeda 7" is, obviously, to implicate them as sympathizers and intimidate.
 
So what? They were dubbed the al Qaeda 7 after weeks of Obama and Holder refusing to reveal their names.

Here's a video from Liz cheney's bully pulpit, keeping up the dry rot of fear and panic that swept through this country after 9/11.

Irony considering that her father Darth was one of the architects of the corruption.

Irony considering that the accused in this country, no matter how heinous, have the right to be represented by counsel.

Irony that cheney's video calls some of the lawyers "the al-Qaeda 7"... especially considering that in the earliest days of this country one of the most influential founders, John Adams, represented the British who were charged in the Boston Massacre.

Irony considering the the right of center SC found in favor of the lawyers who represented some of the terror suspects.
Obviously Liz cheney has no concept of shame. Unfortunately, there is a segment of the gullible who will be swayed by her assault on constitutional principles.

YouTube- Keep America Safe: The State of His Rhetoric
 
So what? They were dubbed the al Qaeda 7 after weeks of Obama and Holder refusing to reveal their names.

The problem with these guys is not that they volunteered to defend the terrorists, but that they now will be be privvy to information within the Department of Justice.

Think about this:Men who jumped at a chance to defend terrorists will now be in a position to know the internal workings of how we fight terrorism. As one pundit putit, "it's like hiring a mob lawyer to fight mob crimes". It's like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
 
The problem with these guys is not that they volunteered to defend the terrorists, but that they now will be be privvy to information within the Department of Justice.

Think about this:Men who jumped at a chance to defend terrorists will now be in a position to know the internal workings of how we fight terrorism. As one pundit putit, "it's like hiring a mob lawyer to fight mob crimes". It's like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

Should anyone that has ever defended a criminal be barred from serving in government? You don't think that will discourage attorneys from defending the accused? How about those assigned to defendants in military courts?

These guys are not terrorist lawyers. They were not paid by the terrorist. They represented the terrorist because, in this nation, we believe that the accused are entitled to a competent defense. They volunteered to ensure that justice was served. They should be applauded not demonized.
 
Should anyone that has ever defended a criminal be barred from serving in government? You don't think that will discourage attorneys from defending the accused? How about those assigned to defendants in military courts?

These guys are not terrorist lawyers. They were not paid by the terrorist. They represented the terrorist because, in this nation, we believe that the accused are entitled to a competent defense. They volunteered to ensure that justice was served. They should be applauded not demonized.

This is a BS argument. To your first question; it would depend on the crimes vs what particular job within the government. In this case I say no for the very reasons already stated!

To your second position the point I made is the same.
 
This is a BS argument. To your first question; it would depend on the crimes vs what particular job within the government. In this case I say no for the very reasons already stated!

To your second position the point I made is the same.

You believe that military lawyers should be denied certain jobs because they were assigned to particular defendants? Really?

I am not saying that a lawyers clients should never be considered. I agree, it depends. Your point about a mob lawyer is valid. But the analogy does not fit here. These guys were not under any obligation to the defendants, other than in the specific case and only then to provide competent representation. Mob lawyers are usually on retainer. They have obliged themselves to their client beyond one case and often represent them in out of court legal matters.

To call these guys "terrorist lawyers" in the same way that is implied by "mob lawyers" is absurd.
 
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You believe that military lawyers should be denied certain jobs because they were assigned to particular defendants? Really?

I am not saying that a lawyers clients should never be considered. I agree, it depends. Your point about a mob lawyer is valid. But the analogy does not fit here. These guys were not under any obligation to the defendants, other than in the specific case and only then to provide competent representation. Mob lawyers are usually on retainer. They have obliged themselves to their client beyond one case and often represent them in out of court legal matters.

To call these guys "terrorist lawyers" in the same way that is implied by "mob lawyers" is absurd.

These lawyers, like mob lawyers, chose to represent the clients they represented. Lawyers that want to defend the 9/11 terrorist's should not be put in a government positon where they can be in the know of how we track, aprehend and interrogate terrorist's.
 
I liked what Andy McCarthy wrote in WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704131404575117613313731980.html

THE SATURDAY ESSAYMARCH 13, 2010
The Case for Full Disclosure
Advocating for the enemy is a modern anomaly. Andrew C. McCarthy on why Americans have the right to know what positions government lawyers have taken.
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY

While Attorney General Eric Holder was in private practice, he had signed an amicus brief in the controversial District of Columbia v. Heller case, in which the Supreme Court invalidated the District of Columbia's ban on firearms in 2008. Mr. Holder had supported the ban.

... Everyone, however, agreed on one point: The brief was highly relevant. Mr. Holder, after all, was a volunteer. He did not participate in the Heller litigation because he had to, but because he wanted to. There are countless causes that an attorney, looking to donate his skills, can support. When he chooses one, it matters. It very likely indicates the direction in which he'd like to take the law.

Until a couple of weeks ago, this was not a controversial proposition. It is now because of a television ad aired by a conservative group, Keep America Safe. The spot pressured the Obama administration, which has famously promised unprecedented transparency, to disclose the names of seven Justice Department political appointees who, while in private practice, voluntarily represented detainees at Guantanamo Bay. The Justice Department had stonewalled Republican lawmakers on this information for months. Then the Keep America Safe ad riveted public attention with the succinct but explosive question: "Who are the al Qaeda Seven?"

The Department of Justice folded, providing the names to the media. But the Obama administration also drummed up support from the legal profession's leading lights. Twenty-two of them, including Kenneth Starr and other well-respected Republican lawyers, fired off a letter denouncing the ad as "shameful." The Gitmo lawyers now working at the DOJ had acted in the "American tradition of zealous representation of unpopular clients," the letter intoned. It even claimed that taking up the terrorists' cause was comparable to John Adams's defense of British soldiers prosecuted for the Boston Massacre. The left-leaning press chimed in, directing its wrath at a favorite target, the word "Cheney"—in this case, Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney and co-director of Keep America Safe. The ad was portrayed as a right-wing smear of attorneys who had performed an honorable service, an assertion said to be proved by the fact that Gitmo lawyers had prevailed in some important Supreme Court cases.

The fictional premise of these wayward complaints is that the Justice Department's al Qaeda lawyers stand in the same shoes as criminal-defense lawyers. The latter must represent even unsavory characters because the Constitution guarantees counsel to those charged with crimes.

To the contrary, the Justice Department's al Qaeda lawyers were volunteers, just as Mr. Holder volunteered in the Heller case. Unlike the British soldiers represented by John Adams, the Gitmo detainees are not entitled to counsel. They are not criminal defendants. They are plaintiffs in offensive lawsuits, filed under the rubric of habeas corpus, challenging their detention as war prisoners. The nation is at war, and the detainees are unprivileged alien enemy combatants. By contrast, the United States was not at war with England at the time of the Boston Massacre, and the British soldiers were lawful police, not nonuniformed terrorists.

There is no right to counsel in habeas corpus cases. Thousands of American inmates must represent themselves in such suits—there is no parade of white-shoe law firms at their beck and call. Until 2004, moreover, enemy prisoners were not permitted to challenge their detention at all. The Supreme Court rejected such claims in the 1950 Eisentrager case, precisely because they damage the national war effort. Yes, left-leaning lawyers have convinced the Supreme Court's liberal bloc to ignore precedent and permit Gitmo habeas petitions. That neither makes these suits less damaging, nor endows the enemy with a right to counsel.

Advocating for the enemy is a modern anomaly, not a proud tradition. Defense lawyers representing accused criminals perform a constitutionally required function. Not so the Department of Justice's Gitmo volunteers. They represented al Qaeda operatives because they wanted to, not because they had to. The suggestion that they served a vital constitutional function is self-adulating myth. Their motive was to move the law in a particular direction...
 
The right has lost their minds.

How the fuck can any American defend this stupidity.

There has been a right wing attempt to refuse the US is a democracy.

The right constantly tries to claim the founders were Christians who would have fused the religion with the government.

You claim torture is some great gift for our protection.

You seem to constantly try to rewrite the history of our nation.

This is why you have to spew hate on higher education and constantly try to undermine our public schools.
 
The right has lost their minds.

How the fuck can any American defend this stupidity.

There has been a right wing attempt to refuse the US is a democracy.

The right constantly tries to claim the founders were Christians who would have fused the religion with the government.

You claim torture is some great gift for our protection.

You seem to constantly try to rewrite the history of our nation.

This is why you have to spew hate on higher education and constantly try to undermine our public schools.

You are proof positive our public school system is a dismal failure.

*brainwash much*
 
The problem with these guys is not that they volunteered to defend the terrorists, but that they now will be be privvy to information within the Department of Justice.

Think about this:Men who jumped at a chance to defend terrorists will now be in a position to know the internal workings of how we fight terrorism. As one pundit putit, "it's like hiring a mob lawyer to fight mob crimes". It's like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

One big problem with this administration is how secret they are and why did they refused to name these attorney's for weeks, if they didn't have something to hide. Obama's campaign was on transparency. He lied once again.
 
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