(Lower) Middle Class Pain

cawacko

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Here is a specific example of jobs that are being replaced by the new economy. Back in the day, these bike riders could probably afford an apartment in the City and not have to worry about their job security. Nowadays, no way. Their quality of life has gone downhill. Back when these guys were probably considered middle class. Now probably working poor.


Bicycle messengers are pedaling uphill against the Internet
Kathleen Pender

Tuesday, July 17, 2007

Bicycle messengers are not quite an endangered species, but their business is certainly going downhill, yet another victim of the Internet.

Like many other companies, including newspapers, messenger services are finding it hard to complete with free and instant.

Anyone with a computer, a fast Internet connection and the ability to create a PDF file can send a photo, drawing or document of almost any size in a matter of seconds at no cost, other than the technology investment.

By comparison, it costs about $12 to send an envelope via messenger from the Ferry Building to the Federal Building in San Francisco.

"There was a big fear 20 years ago that the fax would do away with our business," says Philip Macafee, president of San Francisco's Own Quicksilver messenger service.

While the fax machine did put a dent in the business, it was nothing compared with the Internet's bite.

"We have five messengers today (compared with) maybe 20 bikes and 15 trucks in 1990," Macafee says.

Other San Francisco firms report similar drop-offs.

"We're doing one-third of the business we used to do," says Ray Roy, owner of Lightning Express. "I have six to eight messengers now compared to 15 to 20 all through the 1990s."

Lori O'Rourke, owner of Speedway Delivery, says, "Today, we have 15 bikes and four drivers. Five years ago, I had maybe 30 bikes and seven drivers."

Initially, the Internet gave San Francisco messenger companies a boost. Dot-com companies -- flush with cash from stock offerings, unburdened by any need to show a profit and always in a hurry -- spent lavishly on messengers.

"In those days, the money was flowing a lot better and people didn't mind spending it on very expensive deliveries -- a couple or three hundred dollars," Roy says.

People who left a suit coat at home or a briefcase at a Lake Tahoe cabin would simply call a messenger to retrieve it. "They wanted it immediately and didn't care what the price was," Roy says.

Some messengers benefited directly from the Internet boom by working for Kozmo.com, which delivered snacks and movies that customers ordered online.

"Kozmo.com lost money on every delivery," says Michael Eno, a self-employed bike messenger in San Francisco.

Things got worse for messenger companies after the dot-com collapse in 2000, and much worse after the terrorist attacks in 2001, which caused stocks to fall even further and companies of all kinds to pare their spending.

"When things became a little tight financially, the messenger companies were one of the first things where offices and companies could cut back," Roy says. "They said, 'We'll have our own employees deliver it or send it in the mail.' "

Heightened security after the Sept. 11 attacks also meant messengers had to spend more time making deliveries.

Before Sept. 11, "You could go anywhere, do whatever -- you were the messenger," says Greg Spear, a former messenger who now runs the Bike Hut, a repair and rental shop.

Today, "What used to take three minutes now takes 20 minutes. That's a common complaint I hear" from messengers who stop by the bike shop, Spear says.

By the time businesses had started to recover, more firms were using e-mail, instant messaging and other forms of electronic delivery.

"We used to deliver a lot of airline tickets," says a San Francisco bike messenger who goes by the name of Pappy. Today, almost all tickets are delivered electronically.

Many messenger firms are also losing business as courts demand electronic filing.

In August, San Francisco Superior Court began requiring electronic filing in all asbestos cases. As a result, at least 20 percent of the court's civil case filings are now received and processed electronically, Superior Court Judge Tomar Mason says.

Federal courts are also migrating to electronic case filing. "It started with Bankruptcy Court, migrated to district courts, and appellate courts are at the last stage. The Ninth Circuit (Court of Appeals) will go to (electronic filing) later this year," says spokesman David Madden.

Jeanne Marlow is office manager for two law firms in San Francisco. One primarily handles business litigation and files most of its cases in federal court. That firm's use of messenger services "has fallen by 90 percent" since the dawn of electronic filing, she says. "It's rare that we use a messenger."

The other firm handles family law and files most of its cases in Superior Court. At that firm, "We still use messengers several times a day. We ask them to take a document over (to a client), have it signed, file it with the court and bring back a copy," Marlow says.

That could change if Superior Court demands that more documents be filed electronically.

For now, some messenger firms still depend heavily or even primarily on legal work.

Another continuing source of business is architectural and engineering firms. Even though they can design buildings or interiors on a computer and could send them electronically, most clients and contractors don't have large-format printers capable of printing blueprint-size drawings.

Architecture firm HOK still uses messengers regularly to deliver "oversize packages, drawings and samples," says Jim Takagi, manager of office services.

Mark Maloy, HOK's library manager, says architects "are very tactile." They want to see and feel everything that goes into a building.

Macafee says his messenger firm still makes a lot of deliveries for the State Compensation Insurance Fund. "They may be moving X-rays or documents that are difficult to scan," he says. His firm also moves a lot of documents between facilities for the University of California.

The messengers who hang out on Market Street say they still deliver a lot of physical items like bagels and cash deposits. Some make personal and business deliveries for rich, busy people who have more money than time.

Most messengers work on commission, earning roughly half the delivery charge. The downturn in volume has made it harder to make a living.

"A good messenger should be able to make $100 a day. That's very rare now," Macafee says.

Jim Riley, who works for Western Messenger, says he can do 15 deliveries on a slow day, 35 on a good day. A messenger might make $450 in a slow week, $600 in a good week, he says.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/17/BUGOSR1ET51.DTL
 
Hummm.....

Here is a specific example of jobs that are being replaced by the new economy. Back in the day, these bike riders could probably afford an apartment in the City and not have to worry about their job security. Nowadays, no way. Their quality of life has gone downhill. Back when these guys were probably considered middle class. Now probably working poor.


Bicycle messengers are pedaling uphill against the Internet
Kathleen Pender

Tuesday, July 17, 2007

Bicycle messengers are not quite an endangered species, but their business is certainly going downhill, yet another victim of the Internet.

Like many other companies, including newspapers, messenger services are finding it hard to complete with free and instant.

Anyone with a computer, a fast Internet connection and the ability to create a PDF file can send a photo, drawing or document of almost any size in a matter of seconds at no cost, other than the technology investment.

By comparison, it costs about $12 to send an envelope via messenger from the Ferry Building to the Federal Building in San Francisco.

"There was a big fear 20 years ago that the fax would do away with our business," says Philip Macafee, president of San Francisco's Own Quicksilver messenger service.

While the fax machine did put a dent in the business, it was nothing compared with the Internet's bite.

"We have five messengers today (compared with) maybe 20 bikes and 15 trucks in 1990," Macafee says.

Other San Francisco firms report similar drop-offs.

"We're doing one-third of the business we used to do," says Ray Roy, owner of Lightning Express. "I have six to eight messengers now compared to 15 to 20 all through the 1990s."

Lori O'Rourke, owner of Speedway Delivery, says, "Today, we have 15 bikes and four drivers. Five years ago, I had maybe 30 bikes and seven drivers."

Initially, the Internet gave San Francisco messenger companies a boost. Dot-com companies -- flush with cash from stock offerings, unburdened by any need to show a profit and always in a hurry -- spent lavishly on messengers.

"In those days, the money was flowing a lot better and people didn't mind spending it on very expensive deliveries -- a couple or three hundred dollars," Roy says.

People who left a suit coat at home or a briefcase at a Lake Tahoe cabin would simply call a messenger to retrieve it. "They wanted it immediately and didn't care what the price was," Roy says.

Some messengers benefited directly from the Internet boom by working for Kozmo.com, which delivered snacks and movies that customers ordered online.

"Kozmo.com lost money on every delivery," says Michael Eno, a self-employed bike messenger in San Francisco.

Things got worse for messenger companies after the dot-com collapse in 2000, and much worse after the terrorist attacks in 2001, which caused stocks to fall even further and companies of all kinds to pare their spending.

"When things became a little tight financially, the messenger companies were one of the first things where offices and companies could cut back," Roy says. "They said, 'We'll have our own employees deliver it or send it in the mail.' "

Heightened security after the Sept. 11 attacks also meant messengers had to spend more time making deliveries.

Before Sept. 11, "You could go anywhere, do whatever -- you were the messenger," says Greg Spear, a former messenger who now runs the Bike Hut, a repair and rental shop.

Today, "What used to take three minutes now takes 20 minutes. That's a common complaint I hear" from messengers who stop by the bike shop, Spear says.

By the time businesses had started to recover, more firms were using e-mail, instant messaging and other forms of electronic delivery.

"We used to deliver a lot of airline tickets," says a San Francisco bike messenger who goes by the name of Pappy. Today, almost all tickets are delivered electronically.

Many messenger firms are also losing business as courts demand electronic filing.

In August, San Francisco Superior Court began requiring electronic filing in all asbestos cases. As a result, at least 20 percent of the court's civil case filings are now received and processed electronically, Superior Court Judge Tomar Mason says.

Federal courts are also migrating to electronic case filing. "It started with Bankruptcy Court, migrated to district courts, and appellate courts are at the last stage. The Ninth Circuit (Court of Appeals) will go to (electronic filing) later this year," says spokesman David Madden.

Jeanne Marlow is office manager for two law firms in San Francisco. One primarily handles business litigation and files most of its cases in federal court. That firm's use of messenger services "has fallen by 90 percent" since the dawn of electronic filing, she says. "It's rare that we use a messenger."

The other firm handles family law and files most of its cases in Superior Court. At that firm, "We still use messengers several times a day. We ask them to take a document over (to a client), have it signed, file it with the court and bring back a copy," Marlow says.

That could change if Superior Court demands that more documents be filed electronically.

For now, some messenger firms still depend heavily or even primarily on legal work.

Another continuing source of business is architectural and engineering firms. Even though they can design buildings or interiors on a computer and could send them electronically, most clients and contractors don't have large-format printers capable of printing blueprint-size drawings.

Architecture firm HOK still uses messengers regularly to deliver "oversize packages, drawings and samples," says Jim Takagi, manager of office services.

Mark Maloy, HOK's library manager, says architects "are very tactile." They want to see and feel everything that goes into a building.

Macafee says his messenger firm still makes a lot of deliveries for the State Compensation Insurance Fund. "They may be moving X-rays or documents that are difficult to scan," he says. His firm also moves a lot of documents between facilities for the University of California.

The messengers who hang out on Market Street say they still deliver a lot of physical items like bagels and cash deposits. Some make personal and business deliveries for rich, busy people who have more money than time.

Most messengers work on commission, earning roughly half the delivery charge. The downturn in volume has made it harder to make a living.

"A good messenger should be able to make $100 a day. That's very rare now," Macafee says.

Jim Riley, who works for Western Messenger, says he can do 15 deliveries on a slow day, 35 on a good day. A messenger might make $450 in a slow week, $600 in a good week, he says.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/17/BUGOSR1ET51.DTL



maybe you are on to something here..."Illegal Aliens" could compete with the cheap internet costs...they sure as hell can run, dodge and hide very well..not to mention willing to accept slave labor salaries!


all kidding aside...albeit I am of the conservative ilk...I agree that outsourcing of manufacturing jobs and insourcing of cheap labor will ruin our way of life!
But the upper class just not give a damn...they are fat,lazy happy campers with a cool portfolio!
 
maybe you are on to something here..."Illegal Aliens" could compete with the cheap internet costs...they sure as hell can run, dodge and hide very well..not to mention willing to accept slave labor salaries!


all kidding aside...albeit I am of the conservative ilk...I agree that outsourcing of manufacturing jobs and insourcing of cheap labor will ruin our way of life!
But the upper class just not give a damn...they are fat,lazy happy campers with a cool portfolio!

It's such a minor part of the economy it's easy to ignore it.
 
Losing a job to real technology gain is one thing, losing a job to an inexplicable western acceptance of slave labor inside a totalitarian regime is another. One is true progress, the other is a step backward.
 
the buggywhip once employed many people so did chariots in greece.
The overall population is benefitted thousands of times over the messangers loss. It's called progress.
 
the buggywhip once employed many people so did chariots in greece.
The overall population is benefitted thousands of times over the messangers loss. It's called progress.

If that's in reference to me Topspin I agree completely. Progress is never easy when you are the one who loses your job as a result of the progress but we are not going to stop it from happening.
 
Give the guy training on frontpage and he's building web pages making 5x the pay and posting here like Robdawgy before he got a real job.
 
Omg...

This continued apologizing for corporate greed is sickening...don't y'all realize that most college grads are being outsourced and insourced(ya are lucky to get a mgr job at Mickey D's)...there will be no jobs in your or your childrens future...***sigh***
 
your a moron, less than 1% prob being outsourced it uneducated white trash like you that's getting outsourced.
 
your a moron, less than 1% prob being outsourced it uneducated white trash like you that's getting outsourced.


:321: you too toppy..go enlist then we can talk..until then kiss this vets ass!

You have not earned the right to express your opinion...imho!
 
This continued apologizing for corporate greed is sickening...don't y'all realize that most college grads are being outsourced and insourced(ya are lucky to get a mgr job at Mickey D's)...there will be no jobs in your or your childrens future...***sigh***

Jobs have ben outsourced since the '90's and probably before and our economy is growing not shrinking.
 
Jobs have ben outsourced since the '90's and probably before and our economy is growing not shrinking.


SO the decimation of the american citizen started in the 90's. So fucking what? Why are you so committed to screwing america?
 
Okee Dokee then...

Jobs have ben outsourced since the '90's and probably before and our economy is growing not shrinking.


You buy into this BS too..get back to me when your kids hit the unemployment rolls...regardless of education! I'm not too worried as I stirred my G/kids into LE...this will always be a needed profession....like Docs and undertakers..get the drift wise one!
 
You buy into this BS too..get back to me when your kids hit the unemployment rolls...regardless of education! I'm not too worried as I stirred my G/kids into LE...this will always be a needed profession....like Docs and undertakers..get the drift wise one!


THree questions:

How much does one make doing LE?

WHat is the uniform for doing LE?

What the hell is LE?
 
the key is education, unemployment is very low. Jobs for screwing shit together for a lot of money are done. Know if my kids had the IQ of battle or asshat I'd be worried.
Anybody with skills is doing twice as good as 20 yrs ago.:clink:
 
the key is education, unemployment is very low. Jobs for screwing shit together for a lot of money are done. Know if my kids had the IQ of battle or asshat I'd be worried.
Anybody with skills is doing twice as good as 20 yrs ago.:clink:

No. The key isn't education. Well educated programmers are being targetted for unemployment simply because they won't work for as little as an indian sending money home to his parents, where the dollar goes further. Here, for a programmer to help his family he must make more, due to cost of living. Consequently, business lobbies government to change the law to screw a highly educated american. So take your pack of lies and do a dance out of here.
 
And there is a shortage of programmers, I bet there unemployment is below the National average of 4.5%.
You read headlines and think you know something.
 
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