Malaysian airliner MH17 was brought down in Donbass by ...

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The Ukrainian government and its "western backers" in a bid to assassinate Putin.

A Ukrainian fighter jet was used, as shown on a "leaked spy satellite photo".

A Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile was used, as shown on another satellite photo.

Some of the passengers had been dead for several days - Igor Girkin, commander of the Donbass People's Militia.


All these stories and more were disseminated by the Russsian propaganda machine and believed by some in the west. Actually the airliner was shot down by a Russian anti-aircraft missile. It was probably a mistake, but as the Russians have never admitted doing it we may never know for sure.


Fast forward four years. The remnants of the resistance in Syria, including the notorious civil defense White Helmets, are planning a 'false flag' chemical attack in Idlib! Luckily the Russian authorities have discovered the plot and warned the world in time. Now if there is a chemical attack we'll know who did it. :rolleyes:
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
The Ukrainian government and its "western backers" in a bid to assassinate Putin.

A Ukrainian fighter jet was used, as shown on a "leaked spy satellite photo".

A Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile was used, as shown on another satellite photo.

Some of the passengers had been dead for several days - Igor Girkin, commander of the Donbass People's Militia.


All these stories and more were disseminated by the Russsian propaganda machine and believed by some in the west. Actually the airliner was shot down by a Russian anti-aircraft missile. It was probably a mistake, but as the Russians have never admitted doing it we may never know for sure.


Fast forward four years. The remnants of the resistance in Syria, including the notorious civil defense White Helmets, are planning a 'false flag' chemical attack in Idlib! Luckily the Russian authorities have discovered the plot and warned the world in time. Now if there is a chemical attack we'll know who did it. :rolleyes:
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Tranquillus in Exile said:
The Ukrainian government and its "western backers" in a bid to assassinate Putin.

A Ukrainian fighter jet was used, as shown on a "leaked spy satellite photo".

A Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile was used, as shown on another satellite photo.

Some of the passengers had been dead for several days - Igor Girkin, commander of the Donbass People's Militia.


All these stories and more were disseminated by the Russsian propaganda machine and believed by some in the west. Actually the airliner was shot down by a Russian anti-aircraft missile. It was probably a mistake, but as the Russians have never admitted doing it we may never know for sure.


Fast forward four years. The remnants of the resistance in Syria, including the notorious civil defense White Helmets, are planning a 'false flag' chemical attack in Idlib! Luckily the Russian authorities have discovered the plot and warned the world in time. Now if there is a chemical attack we'll know who did it. :rolleyes:
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such
naivete.

where is the proof? was it Uk militias, Russian separatist, or regular Russian
why would Russia shoot down a civilian airliner - what proof is there?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
The Ukrainian government and its "western backers" in a bid to assassinate Putin.

A Ukrainian fighter jet was used, as shown on a "leaked spy satellite photo".

A Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile was used, as shown on another satellite photo.

Some of the passengers had been dead for several days - Igor Girkin, commander of the Donbass People's Militia.


All these stories and more were disseminated by the Russsian propaganda machine and believed by some in the west. Actually the airliner was shot down by a Russian anti-aircraft missile. It was probably a mistake, but as the Russians have never admitted doing it we may never know for sure.


Fast forward four years. The remnants of the resistance in Syria, including the notorious civil defense White Helmets, are planning a 'false flag' chemical attack in Idlib! Luckily the Russian authorities have discovered the plot and warned the world in time. Now if there is a chemical attack we'll know who did it. :rolleyes:
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Is this like 'tongue-in-cheek, or something?
 
anatta said:
such
naivete.

where is the proof?
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I can't believe you're serious, anatta! Are you saying you give credence to those Russian fairy tales?

Investigation of the disaster was conducted by the Dutch Safety Board and an international Joint Investigation Team consisting of aviation experts from the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia, Ukraine and Malaysia. By 2016, in the teeth of obstruction and disinformation, they had established the details of what happened.

MH17 was shot down by a Buk surface-to-air missile belonging to the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian army, operating from an area controlled by Putin's stooges in the Donbass. Witnesses saw the Buk launcher exiting over the Russian border the same day (the Kremlin denies it was ever there). To be fair, they were probably targeting a Ukrainian military plane. Shooting down a civilian airliner was a stupid mistake.

A summary of the investigation findings is here. Ffs read it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Dutch_Safety_Board_reports
 
firsst off your OP says it was the Russians, but the area was controlled by the separatists -not Russians.
I find it much more likely they would be undisciplined enough to shoot down a civilian airliners.

Also the US government claimed it had proof. It never ever supported that for years. allof a sudden after the Dutch investigation they claimed thy had satellite something or other.
Mind you this was years later, and after the Dutch investigation said "Russia was involved"
What does that even mean?

You are way to willing to swallow western press. You believed protesors in Bengazi were going to be bombed
I doubt if you even looked at U.S.A.I.D.s role in the Euromaidan -or even factored in John MCain standing next to a Svoboda member egging the crowd on to revolution in Independence Sq.

Or take the Deep State - do you even recognize by now the plotting that took place?
We just found out Ohr was feeding the Steele dossier after Steele was fired by the FBI.
Your problem is you take what they tell you to take on face value - I hate to beak it to you but the CIA is every bit as ruthless as the GRU/FSB

I'm pretty sure the separatists did it - but this leap to "the Russians did it" is unsupported.
 
Oh and Russia blew up big parts of Idlib -no chem attacks.
Russia called out that false flag and it was stopped at least up to now.
 
You believe separatists shot down MH17 with a Russian anti-aircraft missile that just happened to be standing around, John McCain fomented revolution in Kiev (which is now run by Nazis, I guess, like RT says), and the White Helmets were planning a chemical massacre in Idlib but the Russians foiled them just in time.

And I'll believe anything? O-kay! :)
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
You believe separoatists shot down MH17 with a Russian anti-aircraft missile that just happened to be standing around, John McCain fomented revolution in Kiev (which is now run by Nazis, I guess, like RT says), and the White Helmets were planning a chemical massacre in Idlib but the Russians foiled them just in time.

And I'll believe anything? O-kay! :)
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you dpn't pay attention to the corrupt FBI -now it's Bruce Ohr in the DoJ as well. McCabe is under grand jury investigation.

RT is going to say "Nazis" it's not. it's Kyiv faction, but again the point you consistently miss is it wasn't some organic 2014 revolution - we fomented it from a protest to police riot/revolution

Obviously the missile came from Russia, but who shot it is in question.
I think it was sloppy targeting by the Russian separatists
 
I believe this, too:

Russia conducts information warfare on a massive scale ... An early example of this was a hugely intensive, multi-channel propaganda effort to persuade the world that Russia bore no responsibility for the shooting down of MH-17.

https://b1cba9b3-a-5e6631fd-s-sites...GU5jJTg43iGKZBoVH6hcdC4sZfDVU=&attredirects=0

That's buried away on page 52 of "Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament: Annual Report 2016 –2017". They weren't making a big point of it. It's just something that informed people take into account.

Of course, Russian disinformationists wouldn't be paid to do that sort of thing if nobody fell for it.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
I believe this, too:

Russia conducts information warfare on a massive scale ... An early example of this was a hugely intensive, multi-channel propaganda effort to persuade the world that Russia bore no responsibility for the shooting down of MH-17.

https://b1cba9b3-a-5e6631fd-s-sites...GU5jJTg43iGKZBoVH6hcdC4sZfDVU=&attredirects=0

That's buried away on page 52 of "Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament: Annual Report 2016 –2017". They weren't making a big point of it. It's just something that informed people take into account.

Of course, Russian disinformationists wouldn't be paid to do that sort of thing if nobody fell for it.
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Russia did not shoot down the plane - Russian separatists did by all look
 
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