Malaysian Plane crash questions, discussion.

Jarod

Jarod

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I have a list of questions that I am interested in what others think about. I also am convinced that the Government knows a lot more than the media is reporting.

I saw both Richard Clarke and Congressman Peter King on television this weekend saying that we are unlikely to ever know where the plane went down and that it was suicide by the pilots, they both appeared to be lying to me.

Questions:

1) If the plane flew over any place with a cell tower, would the cell phones of the passengers not have "pinged" the towers?

2) If any passengers were alive would they not have tried to make phone calls and send text messages if the plane was in range of any cell towers?

3) Why would such an organized terrorist plan not have included turning off the "ping" that investigators found?

4) Why are the investigators sure the plane traveled one of two paths, (Northwest or Southwest) but not sure which path?

5) If I am correct and they are lying to us, why? (I have theories, but am interested in discussion)
 
Jarod said:
I have a list of questions that I am interested in what others think about. I also am convinced that the Government knows a lot more than the media is reporting.

I saw both Richard Clarke and Congressman Peter King on television this weekend saying that we are unlikely to ever know where the plane went down and that it was suicide by the pilots, they both appeared to be lying to me.

Questions:

1) If the plane flew over any place with a cell tower, would the cell phones of the passengers not have "pinged" the towers?

Base stations are designed to radiate out not up, you won't get a signal at 30,000 ft. Anyway where are the base stations out in the Indian Ocean?

2) If any passengers were alive would they not have tried to make phone calls and send text messages if the plane was in range of any cell towers?

I am sure that they tried

3) Why would such an organized terrorist plan not have included turning off the "ping" that investigators found?

Turning the ping off is a lot more difficult than turning the IFF transponder and ACARS off. I believe that you have to remove a circuit breaker under the cockpit floor

4) Why are the investigators sure the plane traveled one of two paths, (Northwest or Southwest) but not sure which path?

5) If I am correct and they are lying to us, why? (I have theories, but am interested in discussion)
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Ok, so, are you saying that you don't believe the plane came in range for any Cell Phone Towers?
 
Jarod said:
Ok, so, are you saying that you don't believe the plane came in range for any Cell Phone Towers?
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When it came back round and flew over the Malay Peninsula but I doubt they would get a signal. You are definitely not going to get anything over the Indian Ocean. What is surprising though is that nobody had a satellite phone even that group of electronic warfare specialists working for the DoD!!
 
Okay, so that makes sense, if they took the Southwestern rout over the ocean. But, when I have flown, I often get a signal. If they flew over India or to Pakastan or that area, I would assume they would get a signal.

So is that why they say they are focusing on the Southwestern Rout and not the Northwestern Rout?
 
I have a friend who works for DOD, he is an independent Contractor, who studies radar and radar equipment, but he wont talk with me about it. He says its not because he is working on anything related to the Plane, he says he is not, but because he is not allowed to discuss that aspect of his job generally.
 
Jarod said:
Okay, so that makes sense, if they took the Southwestern rout over the ocean. But, when I have flown, I often get a signal. If they flew over India or to Pakastan or that area, I would assume they would get a signal.

So is that why they say they are focusing on the Southwestern Rout and not the Northwestern Rout?
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I am surprised that lawyer would break the law by having a mobile switched on when a plane is airborne and amazed that you claim to get a signal at cruising altitude.
 
Abraxas said:
I am surprised that lawyer would break the law by having a mobile switched on when a plane is airborne and amazed that you claim to get a signal at cruising altitude.
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I don't know if it was at cruising altitude. I am not above breaking a law or two. Lawyers are just regular people, no more or less likely to break the law.

I don't know if its against the law or not, but when I was a kid I used to love to play with a radio on an airplane and see what stations I could pick up and if I could "Track" the plane by doing so.
 
All I can say about this is, if this was the result of a terrorist attack, the terrorist must've used some high end explosives to vaporize the entire plane because I just don't see how the world can go through all these days without a shred of debris or large amounts of wreckage.
 
Sun Devil said:
All I can say about this is, if this was the result of a terrorist attack, the terrorist must've used some high end explosives to vaporize the entire plane because I just don't see how the world can go through all these days without a shred of debris or large amounts of wreckage.
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1) It was a terrorist attack but the plane was not destroyed.

or

2) The debris was scattered in a very remote area and was blown to very small pieces.

or

3) The plane was crashed into the ocean in a very remote area, mostly intact and sank VERY deep.
 
Jarod said:
1) It was a terrorist attack but the plane was not destroyed.

or

2) The debris was scattered in a very remote area and was blown to very small pieces.

or

3) The plane was crashed into the ocean in a very remote area, mostly intact and sank VERY deep.
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Even if the plane was crashed into the ocean, it would still disintegrate and there are plenty of things that would float; ie: seat cushions, papers, luggage, and I hate to say, bodies.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Even if the plane was crashed into the ocean, it would still disintegrate and there are plenty of things that would float; ie: seat cushions, papers, luggage, and I hate to say, bodies.
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I remember when a plane from South America to Paris crashed a few years ago they found like maybe two pieces but did not find the major parts on the sea floor for a couple of years, and that plane was on course when it crashed. Some papers and bodies in the Indian Ocean would likely be very hard to find.
 
Jarod said:
I remember when a plane from South America to Paris crashed a few years ago they found like maybe two pieces but did not find the major parts on the sea floor for a couple of years, and that plane was on course when it crashed. Some papers and bodies in the Indian Ocean would likely be very hard to find.
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Do you have a link that can show the time line you've suggested?
 
Jarod said:
1) It was a terrorist attack but the plane was not destroyed.

or

2) The debris was scattered in a very remote area and was blown to very small pieces.

or

3) The plane was crashed into the ocean in a very remote area, mostly intact and sank VERY deep.
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If it hit the Indian Ocean in a steep dive then it could be under 30,000 ft of water.
 
Jarod said:
I remember when a plane from South America to Paris crashed a few years ago they found like maybe two pieces but did not find the major parts on the sea floor for a couple of years, and that plane was on course when it crashed. Some papers and bodies in the Indian Ocean would likely be very hard to find.
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Jarod said:
Sorry here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
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Your original statement was a little off on the what and when of recovery.

While Brazilian Navy authorities were able to remove from the sea the first major wreckage and two bodies within five days of the accident, initial investigation was hampered because the aircraft's black boxes were not recovered from the ocean floor until May 2011, nearly two years later.
 
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