APP - Moral question

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We go round and round regarding the proper role of government. There is not a need or a want that the left does not think can be satisfied through the government.


So I propose a new law. The law is such. If you see a person on the side of the street holding a sign asking for money you are required to give them $5. If you are caught not giving them $5 you will be fined $10,000

My question is

1) if this is passed by the Congress under the rubric of the general welfare clause is it Constitutional
2) is it moral?
 
aloysious said:
How much is your overhead?
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That aint a bad price @ all..... He only needs a small, but nice office to hang his degrees. No equipment, no staff etc.....


OP:

You can voluntarily give money to whoever you want(almost) & additionally you are required to give some of your money to da gubment to do what they want~you, we have no say in it's use...

Some don't want their tax dollars going to poor kids, others don't want it going to make bombs, or foreigners &/or their gubments but we all share the same response TUFF SHIT..
 
I Love America said:
We go round and round regarding the proper role of government. There is not a need or a want that the left does not think can be satisfied through the government.


So I propose a new law. The law is such. If you see a person on the side of the street holding a sign asking for money you are required to give them $5. If you are caught not giving them $5 you will be fined $10,000

My question is

1) if this is passed by the Congress under the rubric of the general welfare clause is it Constitutional
2) is it moral?
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Anytime Government acts in the interests of the few by taking from one group to give to another, is immoral.

It becomes particularly egregious when corrupt politicians appeal to ignorant masses to vote for them by promising them free stuff.
 
Bill said:
OP:

You can voluntarily give money to whoever you want(almost) & additionally you are required to give some of your money to da gubment to do what they want~you, we have no say in it's use...

Some don't want their tax dollars going to poor kids, others don't want it going to make bombs, or foreigners &/or their gubments but we all share the same response TUFF SHIT..
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The Constitution is very clear on this; liberals should familiarize themselves with this document before they erupt ignorantly.
 
Bill said:
you are required to give some of your money to da gubment to do what they want~you, we have no say in it's use...

Some don't want their tax dollars going to poor kids, others don't want it going to make bombs, or foreigners &/or their gubments but we all share the same response TUFF SHIT..
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but I thought that WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
i've been told that it doesn't matter what I believe, only what liberals state to be reality, and that that is that we are the government.
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Well it does say "we the ppl"... But even then, it meant just some ppl~kinda like it does now, just not so much..
 
Government is essential for freedom, the right fails to see that as they are programmed by corporate money to think of it as the problem.


"Joseph Raz argued forty years ago, even a “society of angels” would have need of law: not because angels would ever be inclined to do the wrong thing (angels never need to be coerced), but because even angels need systematic guidance to coordinate their activities effectively in the service of the common good. Angels need to know which side of the road to drive on, which day to put out the recyclable garbage, and how to dispose of their property after their death to those they want to inherit it." Brian Leiter 'Marx, Law, Ideology, Legal Positivism'

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php


"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts." http://www.quotedb.com/speeches/washington-farewell-address
 
midcan5 said:
Government is essential for freedom, the right fails to see that as they are programmed by corporate money to think of it as the problem.


"Joseph Raz argued forty years ago, even a “society of angels” would have need of law: not because angels would ever be inclined to do the wrong thing (angels never need to be coerced), but because even angels need systematic guidance to coordinate their activities effectively in the service of the common good. Angels need to know which side of the road to drive on, which day to put out the recyclable garbage, and how to dispose of their property after their death to those they want to inherit it." Brian Leiter 'Marx, Law, Ideology, Legal Positivism'

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php


"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts." http://www.quotedb.com/speeches/washington-farewell-address
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This is why I thread ban you. You didn't answer the question
 
midcan5 said:
Government is essential for freedom, the right fails to see that as they are programmed by corporate money to think of it as the problem.
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STRAWMAN ALERT!!!!! You do not need a Government to have freedom. In fact, Governments reduce liberties and freedoms.

What Liberals are incapable of comprehending is that it is not about having Government, but rather, how to balance having a LIMITED Government with liberties.

You eschew a strawman that suggests that if one thinks Government is the problem, one must stupidly believe that we don't need it. That is utter bullshit.

It is like the leftist strawman used about global warming. Apparently, if you do not acknowledge man is causing it, you're a flat earther. False; we all know the planet is warming. It has been doing this without man for one million years. The notion that it is man that is causing it is the realm of idiots and fools willing to believe anything other than facts.
 
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