Mother effing Liars

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Cypress

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Armchair theology "experts" like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, LittleAcorn, Battleborne, Superfreak and Damo have called Trinity United Church of Christ anti-white and racist.

You can either accept the word of these partisan bush voters, who have zero knowledge, understanding, or education in afrocentric black liberation theology.....

OR, you can accept the word of the (white) Dean of the University of Chicago's Divinity School, a man with impeccable and undisputed knowledge and education in American theological traditions:


Keeping the Faith at Trinity United Church of Christ
— Reverend Martin E. Marty

Note: This is not a non-endorsement of Senator Obama as a candidate.
Note: I don't do endorsements.

It is about Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where the Senator was converted and is a member. Some editorials and the more strident TV networks and radio talkmeisters tell its story wrong, no doubt intentionally. Friendship for the church and its staff, and a desire to help set the church-reporting record straight, impel some comment here.

Trinity is the largest congregation in the whole United Church of Christ…. Trinity's rubric is "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." So far as I can tell Trinity shapes a kind of ellipse around these two "centers," neither of which makes sense without the other. This you would never know from the slanders of its enemies or the incomprehension and naiveté of some reporters who lack background in the civil rights and African-American movements of several decades ago — a background out of which Trinity's stirrings first rose and on which it transformatively trades.

So Trinity is "Africentric," and deals internationally and ecumenically with the heritage of "black is beautiful." Despite what one sometimes hears, Wright and his parishioners — an 8,000-member mingling of everyone from the disadvantaged to the middle class, and not a few shakers and movers in Chicago — are "keepin' the faith." To those in range of Chicago TV I'd recommend a watching of Trinity's Sunday services, and challenge you to find anything "cultic" or "sectarian" about them. More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being "anti-white." My wife and I on occasion attend, and, like all other non-blacks, are enthusiastically welcomed.

Heretical? Hardly. Harriet and I sometimes come home reflecting and remarking that Wright sounds almost literalist about biblical texts when he preaches. The large-print texts are before the worshipers, and Wright, taking up the Gospel message line by line, applies it to personal, cultural, social, and political life. He turns much focus on the family. Of course, he can be abrasive. Why? Think of the concept of "unashamedly": tucked into it is the word "shame." Wright and his fellow leaders have diagnosed "shame," "being shamed," and "being ashamed" as debilitating legacies of slavery and segregation in society and church….

--Martin Marty Ph.D. (University of Chicago): An ordained minister in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Martin Marty has taught in the Divinity School, the Department of History, and the Committee on the History of Culture since 1963. He specializes in late eighteenthand twentieth-century American religion and occasionally holds seminars on subjects related to this specialty.

http://marty-center.uchicago.edu/sightings/archive_2007/0402.shtml
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...and Gumbys complete dishonesty continues.... funny that should occur on a thread he titled Mother Effing Liars.

Or perhaps you would care to share with us where I stated that the Trinity Church was anti-white or racist.

I said some of the PASTORS comments were racist.... which they were. That does not mean all of his comments have been racist. All of your pathetic attempts to spin this in your vain attempt to apologize for his racist comments is really telling.

You are a completely dishonest hack.
 
I really dont know what was rascist about the comments really. He mentions that this country is run by rich white people. That is not racist its true.
 
I can certainly say its been amusing watching our resident poor disenfranchised white male posters up in arms about this. Can't say I'm shocked by the reaction.
 
LadyT said:
I can certainly say its been amusing watching our resident poor disenfranchised white male posters up in arms about this. Can't say I'm shocked by the reaction.
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there isn't a shred of evidence that the pastor or his church are racist. Other than what the wingnuts have read on some wingnut sites, and from their own deep seated biases.
 
Cypress said:
there isn't a shred of evidence that the pastor or his church are racist. Other than what the wingnuts have read on some wingnut sites, and from their own deep seated biases.
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All I can muster is an eye roll as the same war/bush/republican apologists make excuses for the people that are responsible for killing thousands of US soldiers, destabilizing Iraq and costing this country trillions. Yeah, this such a big fucking deal. Especially since Obama has denounced the preachers speeches in question.
 
Desh said:
I really dont know what was rascist about the comments really. He mentions that this country is run by rich white people. That is not racist its true.
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It was mainly his associating white America with the KKK.

Again, as has been mentioned by many already.... Obamas response was good and he really shouldn't HAVE to do more. But as Hillary (and the Reps) continue to try and paint the public perception in the tone they want... he may NEED to do more. It is the perception that matters.... not the reality.
 
I won't.............

Cypress said:
Armchair theology "experts" like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, LittleAcorn, Battleborne, Superfreak and Damo have called Trinity United Church of Christ anti-white and racist.

You can either accept the word of these partisan bush voters, who have zero knowledge, understanding, or education in afrocentric black liberation theology.....

OR, you can accept the word of the (white) Dean of the University of Chicago's Divinity School, a man with impeccable and undisputed knowledge and education in American theological traditions:
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even dignify this diatribe with a comment!:nono:
 
Its anti whir for sure.
Racist, well how much harm can you do when your the oppressed one.
If you think Obama loses no votes on this, pass the Koop aid.
I think it pales in comparrison to john keating 5's exploits.
Enough with the Obama worship, he's not perfect just way better than the alternative.
 
this whole thing with the pastor is way way overdone... from both sides... obama didnt say these things his pastor or what ever ya call the guy said em. but obama has expressed how close he and his family are to this guy. obama just needs to tell people what his views are about all the stuff the astor has talked about and end of story... personaly i think obama is just letting this whole issue cook a lil
 
bob said:
this whole thing with the pastor is way way overdone... from both sides... obama didnt say these things his pastor or what ever ya call the guy said em. but obama has expressed how close he and his family are to this guy. obama just needs to tell people what his views are about all the stuff the astor has talked about and end of story... personaly i think obama is just letting this whole issue cook a lil
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but then again getting a view point out of obama is like pulling teeth from a frog
 
bob said:
but then again getting a view point out of obama is like pulling teeth from a frog
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You were saying:

Barack Obama will give a major speech on "the larger issue of race in this campaign," he told reporters in Monaca, PA just now.

He was pressed there, as he has been at recent appearances, on statements by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

"I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but the larger issue of race in this campaign," he said.

He added that he would "talk about how some of these issues are perceived from within the black church issue for example," he said.

He also briefly defended Wright from the image that has come through in a handful of repeatedly televised clips from recent Wright sermons.

"The caricature that’s being painted of him is not accurate," he said.
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_plans_major_race_speech_tomorrow.html
 
Topspin said:
Its anti whir for sure.
Racist, well how much harm can you do when your the oppressed one.
If you think Obama loses no votes on this, pass the Koop aid.
I think it pales in comparrison to john keating 5's exploits.
Enough with the Obama worship, he's not perfect just way better than the alternative.
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The Keating Five? LMAO... yeah, dig up the fact that the Senate ethics committee stated that McCain may have used poor judgement, but did nothing wrong. Good call.... that should help.
 
Here you go bob...

bob said:
this whole thing with the pastor is way way overdone... from both sides... obama didnt say these things his pastor or what ever ya call the guy said em. but obama has expressed how close he and his family are to this guy. obama just needs to tell people what his views are about all the stuff the astor has talked about and end of story... personaly i think obama is just letting this whole issue cook a lil
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This is what Obama has to say about all this dating back to 2007...when he started his own religious web site ..I am including the link...read and then judge!

www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/01/obamas_minister.php
 
keating sounded way worse than anything obama is tied too. Pass me the Koop aid superfreak mccain is light years from squeaky clean. He is the poster boy for "good ole boys club"
 
Topspin said:
keating sounded way worse than anything obama is tied too. Pass me the Koop aid superfreak mccain is light years from squeaky clean. He is the poster boy for "good ole boys club"
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I did not say he was "squeaky clean".... just that it is not all that bright to try and act as though Keating five is any type of legitimate issue.

yeah... poster boy for good ole boys club... thats why all that pork he requests is so high compared to his counterparts.
 
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