Hello everyone, I was walking outside which I normally do outside when I am pondering about anything, in this case, How I should be thinking about the illegal immigration issues in our country. This is not a matter what I belief to be the answer, this is instead a Critically- In depth multi-parted conscientious questioning about how to shape the conversation and the questions which surround it. I've never seen myself as largely conservative nor liberal as a whole, rather instead being cons, mod. and lib. in areas as the area transpodent need be considered should be handeled you need to be. A lot of people wouldn't but I will be open and state that I do live in a liberal home, but with that being said, I don't know what people think, but what people think matters to me, As I hold reason above fealty, for I don't have all knowing perspective nor experience and neither would I imagine those who claim to be indistinctly one or other would either, with that being said, that doesn't mean there aren't essential points that being one or other would not touch upon. I seek truth and with that, here is my stream of consciousness questions?
My 1st question is... 1.)
Do you accept any illegal immigrants into your country at all/why or why not?
My 2nd question offset from that question is...
If you don't accept any illegal immigrants into your country would you ever? under what considerations?
If so from what countries would you be more so open to possibly allowing the possibility of illegal immigration from and which would be outright denied...(leading to the 2nd part of this question/Explain your thoughts around which countries if you allowed any illlegal immigrants at all from the previous question/chose any countries/and express your reasons around why?)
My natural thoughts around this issue surrounds itself around categories and I will come upon them later in the discussion
-Legal Path to citizenry
-Illegal habitant Path to citizenry, if any
-Illegal Parents bearing Children born path to citizenry, if any
My 3rd question continuing from the 1st part of the 2nd question-->
If there was a policy that requires registration with the government of the host country notifying of your stay to begin the process of possible citizenry within first the 3 months of one's stay, in (behind those who took the legal path) within the first year of residency or else being subject to immediate deportation if not complied were introduced (Introduced Control Mechanism), with checkpoints that need to be reached every year for 5 years making up 5 total checkpoints, which if not would result in deportation, would you support it? And if not in whole or in part? and if you would in part or in totallity what would need to be added, clarified, or left as is.... as... (Read Below)
I wish to explain my reasoning around this matter a little more and why I am taking this direction as to why I'm constraining this perspective around notification of residency. (Though I am always open to any counter arguments). I personally feel that residency within any country naturally means you are temporarily here for social events, business reasons, or your are here permanently due to natural birth which I will touch upon later. In my view, there is no sorta here sorta not there perspective to this matter, for if you are benefiting from the tax payers of any host country then you need to be paying in your own contributions beyond just a normal purchase for commerce items, at least beyond a certain extent of time; as all measures regarding infrastructure...well the the inhabitants of the said host country have to maintain it and that usually comes in the form of taxes and knowledge contribution as well far as advancing their teachings, their relationships, their technologies, their methods, and principles for up-keeping what they upkeep in the way in which they do it. Maintaining a prolonged pseudo position where you are ready to jump ship if something dire were to happen or maintaining a split loyalty to 2 countries doesn't work, especially if a conflict arises amongst those 2 countries and they perhaps go to war with one another and there is no know how to as a pseduo non- citizen/citizen you'd react and who'd you back especially given having close relationships amongst both countries. It is at that point you have a national security problem.
In addition, naturally those who come legally to become citizenry are showing a greater respect for the countries law abiding paramaters for maintaining order and retaining sustainability which should therefore be rewarded for taking the correct path to citizenry.
leading to My 4th Question (You may need to go back up to re-read where we left off in the 3rd question...
If after Extensive investigation into the particular illegal immigrants in question looking for citizenry which must be done in the first 3 months of that 1st year in the host country (we've gone through as to why one must be looking for citizenry otherwise one is looking for asylum which is a different matter altogether) they would be allowed clemency which must be reviewed every 1 years for 5 years, each 1 year being a checkpoint for possible citizenry, a natural penalty for not going through the normal legalization for citizenship processes that everyone else coming into the country would need to, (with checkpoints which must be met) to go onto the next matters of which, (if not met would be with immediate deportation),
Note: I am not familiar, with all of our countries citizenry laws and what we have already established. It may be a hell of a lot of better, so enlighten me with new information if you think I don't have per-se the right way of consideration upon the matter, but please try not to be insulting.
(cont.) What would those checkpoint consists of, I don't know what they would be but my logic dictates there has to be a vetting process like all matters if you've allowing for such a possibility whatever that case may be for reasons of host country sustainability.
Leading into the 5th Question.
What skills would you consider as a means of pre-requisite entry into the illegal immigration path to citizenry if skills if there were one?
Once again I will explain my thought processes around this. Naturally, if anyone comes to your country, you want them to be able to contribute meaningfully. A scientists, a software developer, an engineer, perhaps an architect, an electrician would greater contribute to american society than for say having another salesman.
leading into the 6th question.
Could citizenry consideration be shaped around not just skills already possessed but in the taking as far as classes enrolled in and not just being taken but progressively passed and presented as proof until that possible job could be aquired? as an example checkpoint measure for a requirement to be considered a citizen upon the illegal immigrant path to citizenry. so shaping the consideration for citizenry with the negative illegal immigration penalties (of which I don't know what they would be just as of yet.)
And for those saying that not all american citizens are this capable, and its true, even I am no professor, nor any of the other examples I stated, that being said, being a natural citizen. simply put it comes with its benefits as it should. You're living in a community in which you aren't planning on going anywhere other than perhaps outside of state or outside of the country for vacation but even then you are still a natural born citizen and if there were no benefits to being a living breathing natural born citizen what would be the point of being a citizen at all if you could gain all the benefits but have all the drawbacks around taxes, possible non-entry into confrontal colleges & desired schools let alone jobs considerations. Even the citizens of a country are competing with one another for the best benefits, and not having any drawbacks to doing so retracts on the feelinggs of involvement in a community who will watch out for you when situations aren't going well in your favor.
Next Question.
If someone came forward as an illegal immigrant.
What would be the checkpoints?
What questions would surround interview questions in compliment with those checkpoints being reached?
I personally would go with....
-1.) What your skills based questions were before you came and are in the process of furthering yourself in
-2.) Known Histories of the countires
-3.) Gathering a sense of political perspective questions.
I would think everything has to be quantifiable.
the truth as sad as it is, there is a probably a great amount of true stories around not having much of any opportunity and situations of dire danger if not threat to one's life, that being said, there has to be some measure of logical debate- progression towards wanted labor or hopefully desired business type ownerships, community, culture etc.
7th Question (Multi- Parted)
And this changes the course of the conservation in the previous post. What should citizenry be? how should it be classified. Should it be clarified by having a number of years present in the country after birth stayed after birth including being naturally born? (I mean if you're born somewhere and leave within like 3 years. one can't really say you have ties to that country. And if stayed? stayed with whom? and by that I mean how does having illegal immigrant parents act as a negative penalty to those who are actualy citizens and have had parents that were naturalized or were indeed born here by citizen parents factor in? What are those negative penalties? If you were born to illegal parents would that also make you illegal despite being born here if they couldn't also meet the checkpoints that their parents would have needed to/need to meet before the set time frames.
--> Leading to the.
8th Question
If there were a designated break in a year that could be agreed upon as to what people could be considered for citizenry regarding those who were born here by illegal immigrants, what would be that year? The children who were naturally or fall under the age of say being less than 5-8 before the break would be allowed to take up continued residency they as legal citizens but those after but were born would not be considered citizens and would have to (comply with a naturally born but outside of year break policy path to citizenry). What that policy would consist of as far as matters of checkpoints I don't know.)
That being said in continuation.
Everyone who was not born but was here illegally (parents and children) before the break including those of whom they gave birth to here would have to fall into the 3 month- in the first 1 year notification of stay within the host government) to begin the citizenry process.
Everyone else after that break would be expelled. and by that I do indeed mean would be deported, if they do not immediately within a week of such a policy being implemented begin registery for citizenry as they have been here the longest without possibly taking the steps to become a citizen and even then, I'd imagaine a lot would be deported. Yes, I understand a lot of people would fall into this category, but a lot of people fall under the break as well. but the greatest problem I see with this country right now is that there is no penalties or consequences for incorrect procedures to citizenry and entry into the country. and no no one is willing to categorize who as who and have leniency when leniency should be considered, and when it should it be not.
Final Question
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What Humane measure of mass deporation would you suggest as a means to remove all those who do not fall into legalization, failed- complicity, and illegible consideration for citizenry?
-Legal citizen parents- naturally born
-Illegal Immigrant parents- natural born- Break ages
-Illegal Immigrant parents- illegal children brought over underneath a certain age say for example. ages 5-8. If I'm being honest and in all fairness, one wouldn't have that many ties to anything that could be consciously recognized by those age. an example being do you remember all your classmates, teachers, and the community you grew up in you years of pre-school, kindergarten, and years leading to year 3. That being said, their parents aren't of the host country, and the citizens rights and benefits to our country i.m.o. anyways must be considered first beforehand those of non- citizens
So this is where I am at... I don't have answers I just have questions. and while many seem to be around questions surrounding paths to citizenry, your answers very well could shift the conversations towards non- paths. I don't have a preference for either, because I don't have enough feedback to make an educated, resolved, and otherwise astute decision on what I think yet, Therefore What are your thoughts around these questions and possibilites?
My 1st question is... 1.)
Do you accept any illegal immigrants into your country at all/why or why not?
My 2nd question offset from that question is...
If you don't accept any illegal immigrants into your country would you ever? under what considerations?
If so from what countries would you be more so open to possibly allowing the possibility of illegal immigration from and which would be outright denied...(leading to the 2nd part of this question/Explain your thoughts around which countries if you allowed any illlegal immigrants at all from the previous question/chose any countries/and express your reasons around why?)
My natural thoughts around this issue surrounds itself around categories and I will come upon them later in the discussion
-Legal Path to citizenry
-Illegal habitant Path to citizenry, if any
-Illegal Parents bearing Children born path to citizenry, if any
My 3rd question continuing from the 1st part of the 2nd question-->
If there was a policy that requires registration with the government of the host country notifying of your stay to begin the process of possible citizenry within first the 3 months of one's stay, in (behind those who took the legal path) within the first year of residency or else being subject to immediate deportation if not complied were introduced (Introduced Control Mechanism), with checkpoints that need to be reached every year for 5 years making up 5 total checkpoints, which if not would result in deportation, would you support it? And if not in whole or in part? and if you would in part or in totallity what would need to be added, clarified, or left as is.... as... (Read Below)
I wish to explain my reasoning around this matter a little more and why I am taking this direction as to why I'm constraining this perspective around notification of residency. (Though I am always open to any counter arguments). I personally feel that residency within any country naturally means you are temporarily here for social events, business reasons, or your are here permanently due to natural birth which I will touch upon later. In my view, there is no sorta here sorta not there perspective to this matter, for if you are benefiting from the tax payers of any host country then you need to be paying in your own contributions beyond just a normal purchase for commerce items, at least beyond a certain extent of time; as all measures regarding infrastructure...well the the inhabitants of the said host country have to maintain it and that usually comes in the form of taxes and knowledge contribution as well far as advancing their teachings, their relationships, their technologies, their methods, and principles for up-keeping what they upkeep in the way in which they do it. Maintaining a prolonged pseudo position where you are ready to jump ship if something dire were to happen or maintaining a split loyalty to 2 countries doesn't work, especially if a conflict arises amongst those 2 countries and they perhaps go to war with one another and there is no know how to as a pseduo non- citizen/citizen you'd react and who'd you back especially given having close relationships amongst both countries. It is at that point you have a national security problem.
In addition, naturally those who come legally to become citizenry are showing a greater respect for the countries law abiding paramaters for maintaining order and retaining sustainability which should therefore be rewarded for taking the correct path to citizenry.
leading to My 4th Question (You may need to go back up to re-read where we left off in the 3rd question...
If after Extensive investigation into the particular illegal immigrants in question looking for citizenry which must be done in the first 3 months of that 1st year in the host country (we've gone through as to why one must be looking for citizenry otherwise one is looking for asylum which is a different matter altogether) they would be allowed clemency which must be reviewed every 1 years for 5 years, each 1 year being a checkpoint for possible citizenry, a natural penalty for not going through the normal legalization for citizenship processes that everyone else coming into the country would need to, (with checkpoints which must be met) to go onto the next matters of which, (if not met would be with immediate deportation),
Note: I am not familiar, with all of our countries citizenry laws and what we have already established. It may be a hell of a lot of better, so enlighten me with new information if you think I don't have per-se the right way of consideration upon the matter, but please try not to be insulting.
(cont.) What would those checkpoint consists of, I don't know what they would be but my logic dictates there has to be a vetting process like all matters if you've allowing for such a possibility whatever that case may be for reasons of host country sustainability.
Leading into the 5th Question.
What skills would you consider as a means of pre-requisite entry into the illegal immigration path to citizenry if skills if there were one?
Once again I will explain my thought processes around this. Naturally, if anyone comes to your country, you want them to be able to contribute meaningfully. A scientists, a software developer, an engineer, perhaps an architect, an electrician would greater contribute to american society than for say having another salesman.
leading into the 6th question.
Could citizenry consideration be shaped around not just skills already possessed but in the taking as far as classes enrolled in and not just being taken but progressively passed and presented as proof until that possible job could be aquired? as an example checkpoint measure for a requirement to be considered a citizen upon the illegal immigrant path to citizenry. so shaping the consideration for citizenry with the negative illegal immigration penalties (of which I don't know what they would be just as of yet.)
And for those saying that not all american citizens are this capable, and its true, even I am no professor, nor any of the other examples I stated, that being said, being a natural citizen. simply put it comes with its benefits as it should. You're living in a community in which you aren't planning on going anywhere other than perhaps outside of state or outside of the country for vacation but even then you are still a natural born citizen and if there were no benefits to being a living breathing natural born citizen what would be the point of being a citizen at all if you could gain all the benefits but have all the drawbacks around taxes, possible non-entry into confrontal colleges & desired schools let alone jobs considerations. Even the citizens of a country are competing with one another for the best benefits, and not having any drawbacks to doing so retracts on the feelinggs of involvement in a community who will watch out for you when situations aren't going well in your favor.
Next Question.
If someone came forward as an illegal immigrant.
What would be the checkpoints?
What questions would surround interview questions in compliment with those checkpoints being reached?
I personally would go with....
-1.) What your skills based questions were before you came and are in the process of furthering yourself in
-2.) Known Histories of the countires
-3.) Gathering a sense of political perspective questions.
I would think everything has to be quantifiable.
the truth as sad as it is, there is a probably a great amount of true stories around not having much of any opportunity and situations of dire danger if not threat to one's life, that being said, there has to be some measure of logical debate- progression towards wanted labor or hopefully desired business type ownerships, community, culture etc.
7th Question (Multi- Parted)
And this changes the course of the conservation in the previous post. What should citizenry be? how should it be classified. Should it be clarified by having a number of years present in the country after birth stayed after birth including being naturally born? (I mean if you're born somewhere and leave within like 3 years. one can't really say you have ties to that country. And if stayed? stayed with whom? and by that I mean how does having illegal immigrant parents act as a negative penalty to those who are actualy citizens and have had parents that were naturalized or were indeed born here by citizen parents factor in? What are those negative penalties? If you were born to illegal parents would that also make you illegal despite being born here if they couldn't also meet the checkpoints that their parents would have needed to/need to meet before the set time frames.
--> Leading to the.
8th Question
If there were a designated break in a year that could be agreed upon as to what people could be considered for citizenry regarding those who were born here by illegal immigrants, what would be that year? The children who were naturally or fall under the age of say being less than 5-8 before the break would be allowed to take up continued residency they as legal citizens but those after but were born would not be considered citizens and would have to (comply with a naturally born but outside of year break policy path to citizenry). What that policy would consist of as far as matters of checkpoints I don't know.)
That being said in continuation.
Everyone who was not born but was here illegally (parents and children) before the break including those of whom they gave birth to here would have to fall into the 3 month- in the first 1 year notification of stay within the host government) to begin the citizenry process.
Everyone else after that break would be expelled. and by that I do indeed mean would be deported, if they do not immediately within a week of such a policy being implemented begin registery for citizenry as they have been here the longest without possibly taking the steps to become a citizen and even then, I'd imagaine a lot would be deported. Yes, I understand a lot of people would fall into this category, but a lot of people fall under the break as well. but the greatest problem I see with this country right now is that there is no penalties or consequences for incorrect procedures to citizenry and entry into the country. and no no one is willing to categorize who as who and have leniency when leniency should be considered, and when it should it be not.
Final Question
----------------
What Humane measure of mass deporation would you suggest as a means to remove all those who do not fall into legalization, failed- complicity, and illegible consideration for citizenry?
-Legal citizen parents- naturally born
-Illegal Immigrant parents- natural born- Break ages
-Illegal Immigrant parents- illegal children brought over underneath a certain age say for example. ages 5-8. If I'm being honest and in all fairness, one wouldn't have that many ties to anything that could be consciously recognized by those age. an example being do you remember all your classmates, teachers, and the community you grew up in you years of pre-school, kindergarten, and years leading to year 3. That being said, their parents aren't of the host country, and the citizens rights and benefits to our country i.m.o. anyways must be considered first beforehand those of non- citizens
So this is where I am at... I don't have answers I just have questions. and while many seem to be around questions surrounding paths to citizenry, your answers very well could shift the conversations towards non- paths. I don't have a preference for either, because I don't have enough feedback to make an educated, resolved, and otherwise astute decision on what I think yet, Therefore What are your thoughts around these questions and possibilites?
