Murder rate at lowest for 20 years•

I agree that comparing UK murder rates to American ones may be invalid if they truly "group" crimes like that. But saying that the murder rate is decreasing wouldn't be invalid, unless they started using grouping at a greater rate.
 
Watermark said:
I agree that comparing UK murder rates to American ones may be invalid if they truly "group" crimes like that. But saying that the murder rate is decreasing wouldn't be invalid, unless they started using grouping at a greater rate.
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again....

from the sycophant who wants all conservatives dead and heads on pikes....wtf do you care about murder rates
 
Topspin said:
Murder rate at lowest for 20 years•
Overall rate in England and Wales remains stable
• Burglary, fraud and shoplifting all rise
The murder rate in England and Wales has fallen to its lowest level in 20 years, with 648 homicides recorded in 2008/09 – 136 fewer than the year before. Home Office statisticians said the drop was "not a blip".

Annual crime figures published yesterday show the number of murders and manslaughters and infanticides fell to a level not seen since 1989.

The crime figures also show that the recession has so far had a less than expected impact on the underlying crime rate, although domestic burglary has risen by 1% in the past year, fraud – including credit card and online fraud – has risen by 5% and shoplifting has increased by 10%.

But the overall crime rate in England and Wales in the 12 months to March 2009 is officially declared to have remained stable with an estimated 10.7m offences as measured by the British Crime Survey (BCS). Crime in England and Wales actually fell by 5% according to the less reliable police-recorded crime figures.


Alan Travis on the crime figures Link to this audio Home Office statisticians asked yesterday about the impact of the recession on the crime figures said: "There may be pressures coming through. This recession is quite different from the last, which happened at a time of increases in crime. This is one where crime is falling."

It had been expected that domestic burglary, which rose by 4% during the calender year 2008, would continue to rise but the 1% increase recorded in this set of figures implies that the economic slowdown is not having the expected effect on the underlying crime rate.

Some individual categories of crime, such as credit card and online fraud are showing increases. But an apparent 25% surge in personal thefts, including pickpocketing and "stealth" theft, which show up on the BCS, is recorded as a 12% fall in the police-recorded crime figures, suggesting that the picture is unclear. The figures also show a 313% increase to 818 cases in frauds by company directors.

The reduction in the homicide rate, which includes murder, manslaughter and infanticide, means the annual total of 648 is now close to the 1979 figure of 629. Attempted murders also fell by 7% last year.

Overall violent crime was reported to have remained stable by the BCS and fell by 6% on the police figures. Violence against the person involving injury fell by 7% to 421,000 incidents.

There was a significant further fall in gun crime with the number of incidents involving a firearm down by 17% to 8,184. The number of fatal shootings fell from 53 to 38.

The Home Office chief statistician, David Blunt, said there was little change, however recorded, in overall levels of knife crime. This is despite recent government claims to have made progress in the most-affected areas. The number of fatal stabbings has fallen in the past from 270 to 252 but attempted murders involving a knife were up from 245 to 271. Robberies involving knives were down 2% from 17,058 to 16,701.

Credit card fraud, particularly involving online shopping transactions, continues to rise, with 2.8m fraudulent transactions recorded last year. "Card not present" fraud has soared by 243% since 2001 in line with the rapid growth of online shopping. To meet the problem banks are replacing online use of pin numbers and security codes with passwords.

The annual crime figures also show sex offences fell by 4% to 51,000 recorded offences, but within that figure rapes of women increased by 5% to 12,000 cases.

There was a slight rise in the risk of becoming a crime victim in England and Wales – 22% to 23%. This compares with the 40% risk when crime peaked in 1995.

Despite this sustained fall in crime in England and Wales over the past 14 years the majority of the public – 75% – believe crime is increasing nationally. People tend to have a more positive view of their own neighbourhood. Only about half think crime is on the increase in their area.

Public confidence in the police and local councils to tackle antisocial behaviour appears to have increased and is up from 45% to 49% even though the home secretary, Alan Johnson, said recently he believed the government had been "coasting" on the issue.

This is the last annual set of crime figures to be published before the general election. Johnson called them "encouraging" but the Conservatives claimed the government was covering up the scale of the problem of knife crime.
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Side note toppy... the murder rate in the US is also at its lowest level in 20 years.
 
Topspin said:
Supertard, you know the point I'm after.
3x higher here vs France and England. Please don't tell me we aren't as smart as they are.
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Again toppy, its a different culture. You pretend it is all about the guns. We have vastly improved as the number of murders in the US continues to drop as the population continues to grow over the past 20 years.
 
I give up you win,
Superfreak, my current mini hobby to waiste time is looking at retirement cities. Aren't you in Co. I'm looking at Fort Collins, Bolder, Denv etc along with Santa Cruz cali.
Are the winters in any of these milder than the others, we want to exscape the humidity but not die on the side of the road like some dumbass Cajun who once asked why the pumps in Houston weren't on during the great flood of 05.
 
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I give up you win,
Superfreak, my current mini hobby to waiste time is looking at retirement cities. Aren't you in Co. I'm looking at Fort Collins, Bolder, Denv etc along with Santa Cruz cali.
Are the winters in any of these milder than the others, we want to exscape the humidity but not die on the side of the road like some dumbass Cajun who once asked why the pumps in Houston weren't on during the great flood of 05.
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Boulder/Denver are going to be pretty similar for weather. Fort Collins maybe a bit colder as it is 90 minutes north of us, but the difference is probably minimal.

Santa Cruz: I have only been there during the summer, so not quite sure what their winters are like, but would imagine they are not nearly as cold nor do they get as much snow. Santa Cruz has the benefit of being on the water and is not far from one of my favorite national parks... Yosemite. It is a small town, yet not far from San Fran... a city I love... despite some of the nuts that live there.

I don't think you could go wrong with any of the cities you listed. I am biased towards Colorado for several reasons. We have better ski resorts than Cali, I love riding in the mountains, hiking 14er's, flat tax on state income, a more moderate constituency and those damn evil Oakland Raiders are nowhere near me.
 
wife loves to hike, I'd could go for the kayaking in the Pacific or in Monterey Bay.
Both states are 420 friendly compared to Louisiana, which after climate is the second priority. I'm guessing Co is lower in taxes and home prices as Santa Cruz I believe has a median Price of $500,000. Foothills in the Smokey's killed me on my bike but my wife has taken up riding an hour or two a week so we'd Enjoy the downhill part. thanks
 
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wife loves to hike, I'd could go for the kayaking in the Pacific or in Monterey Bay.
Both states are 420 friendly compared to Louisiana, which after climate is the second priority. I'm guessing Co is lower in taxes and home prices as Santa Cruz I believe has a median Price of $500,000. Foothills in the Smokey's killed me on my bike but my wife has taken up riding an hour or two a week so we'd Enjoy the downhill part. thanks
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Taxes are most certainly less in CO. Flat tax of 4.63% on income.

As for home prices... Boulder is higher in median price than $500k. Fort Collins would be considerably lower, Denver just depends on which part of the city you choose... though most would be lower in median price. (though you probably get more square footage than you would in Cali)
 
Superfreak said:
Again toppy, its a different culture. You pretend it is all about the guns. We have vastly improved as the number of murders in the US continues to drop as the population continues to grow over the past 20 years.
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Can we also compare the rates of injury and deaths, among the fans, by putting Europes behavior at Soccer games and any sport in the US.
 
Fort Collins looks like the early favorite. Lower real estate small city but prop big enough for good tennis. Gotta get the wife to agree to a Denver vacation.
 
what a peaceful and safe country, that UK.

A Pc who allegedly left a woman with her rapist while responding to a 999 call in London is being investigated by the Metropolitan Police.

Pc Matthew Harris went to the victim's flat in Woolwich last November but allegedly left without making inquiries when Vitas Jasionis reassured him.

Jasionis, 54, of Southwark, was found guilty of raping the 32-year-old woman at Woolwich Crown Court on Monday.

Pc Harris has been referred to the directorate of professional standards.

The court heard the officer went to the flat in Ruston Road after a neighbour called 999 to report the screams of a woman.

Wanted for murder

When he knocked on the door Jasionis answered and reassured the officer, who then allegedly left without making further inquiries.

Hours later the victim called the police, but by then she had been raped again, the court was told.

Jasionis, who will be sentenced later, was arrested at the scene.

His brother, Antanas Jasionis, 50, was cleared of rape, but is due to be extradited to Lithuania where he is wanted for murder.

A spokesman for the Met said the officer had been referred to the force's directorate of professional standards.

The inquiry comes after police watchdog the Independent Police Complaints Commission warned that officers could be prosecuted for making blunders in two serial sex attacker cases - street stalker Kirk Reid and taxi-driving rapist John Worboys.
 
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