APP - Now we know why the democratic party is [not] scared of Donald Trump II

midcan5

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How can you have an open democratic discussion when everyone who disagrees with your biases is censored from the thread. Banning conversation is like burning books IMO. JPP acquiesces in this censorship by permitting it in an area presumably open to all. It's bad enough 'I love's' quotes are false and made up to support ideology, but when censorship is added to your repertoire, respect is lost too. No one fears Donald Trump's platitudes and bigotry. I am always reminded of how history repeats itself in a way that demonstrates humans are so easily managed. And censored communication only contributes. A bit of history below, it sure does repeat itself. Sound familiar?

"A distraught and befuddled electorate troops glumly to the polls on November 4, 1980-their turnout the lowest since 1948; unhappiness with both candidates greater than any previous Gallup Poll ever showed-and casts 50.7 percent of its ballots for Ronald Reagan, who has promised an immense tax reduction, a giant military buildup and a budget painlessly balanced by 1983 through careful paring of "waste and abuse" and the miracle of revenue "feedback," edible, keepable supply-sided cake.

A tremor of fear ripples through Republican ranks - with reason, reason most compelling. Inside supply-side quackery an immense and dangerous force lies latent, coiled up within it like a boa constrictor. Once the Federal Reserve succeeds in disinflating the economy, the one certain result of Reagan's huge promised tax cut is huge annual budget deficits-more than $100 billion a year; $150 billion, perhaps, counting the military buildup. So calculates Reagan's future budget director, David Stockman, age thirty-four, a former protege of Senator Moynihan's. No menace in Stockman's eyes are these huge crushing deficits, but an "opportunity," he calls it,a once-in-a-lifetime chance for "a frontal assault on the welfare state." Given the 'battering ram' force of those deficits, a titanic reversal of history lies within the power of the Right. "Forty years' worth of promises, subventions, entitlements and safety nets issued by the federal government to every component and stratum of American society would have to be scrapped or drastically modified," so Stockman recalls himself thinking in those heady autumn days of 1980. The "craven politicians" would have no choice: dismantle the enterprises of government, liberate and exalt the power of capital - trampled and brought low for so many years-"or risk national ruin" from the crush of those deficits.

Therein lies the true beauty of the scheme: no choice. No need to persuade a feckless electorate that mitigating gross inequality is an enterprise unworthy of a republican commonwealth. No need to persuade them that a house of one's own, yeomanly independence, security in old age, clear air and clean water, the principles of liberty and equality perpetually upheld (however ill served), a public realm shielded from hungry mobs and criminal despair (for misery is the enemy of liberty) are utterly impermissible public goals-"bloated, wasteful and unjust spending enterprises," so the future budget director calls them. No need to undertake the hopeless task of teaching the national mob the sublime, icy truths of laissez-faire economics; no need to persuade them -for it is equally hopeless- that no purpose beyond "economic efficiency" is fit and proper for a capitalist country, for America as "just one big business," for America the "industrial giant," as the President-elect likes to call this Republic. Are we not something other than that, the feckless rabble would ask? Have Americans not died on a hundred battlefields for something other than that? For something more like government of, by and for the people, which is supposed not to perish from this earth? No need to turn aside such questions. The American people are drowning in inflation, are clinging to the balanced budget idea like a shipwrecked sailor clutching at flotsam. Let Congress enact -but will it?- these huge tax-reduction deficits and then let Reagan demand they be wiped away and there is no need to persuade a free people to abandon their feckless public goals. Under the crushing weight of "fiscal necessity"-a false necessity, necessity brutally, deceitfully contrived-the judgment of the vicious many shall be subjugated to the will of the righteous few, to us, the Right, keepers of the flame, dwellers in the political wilderness for fifty years, in the wilderness no longer.

Such is the latent power coiled up within supply-side quackery -the power to carry out a brutal plot, a deceitful scheme, a political crime, a crime against government by consent of the governed, a tyrant's crime against a free people's freedom to decide their own fate, a crime by no means deeply concealed. On October 14, poor, unheeded Carter had presciently warned that his rival's program must lead, inevitably, to a $130 billion deficit by 1983, to a bloated military establishment and a federal government stripped, impoverished and paralyzed for years to come. Suppose the supply-side plot were launched and the people rose up against it? What would become of the Reaction then? What possible hope would there be for Oligarchy restored?

Skepticism of the Right is rampant in the country. The huge party of nonvoters would have elected Carter, so the Times cautions on November 9Th. Other cautionary warnings are sounded from within high Republican ranks. Have the American people repudiated Democratic Party goals? "Absolutely not," says Bill Brock, chairman of the Republican National Committee. Is there a "mandate" for a sharp turn to the right? No, but rather an "apparent absence of a mandate," says Richard Wirthlin, the President-elect's own polltaker. George Will, the conservative columnist, is Reagan's informal adviser; he, too, cautions the new President-elect: The election "was not a national conversion to conservative ideology. It was a desire to see Carter gone."

p129,130 'Liberty under Siege' Walter Karp
 
I would love to see Trump get the nomination.

Why? Do you think he would fail and when? Election or later as that other famous outsider Jimmy Carter?

Lesson for today, any fans of Robert Paul Wolff, his blog is often interesting. I am often fascinated by how we come to know what we know and why. I have lots of thoughts but who am I to lecture. Actually I do often....lol 'Ideology and Utopia: An Introduction to the Sociology of Knowledge' by Karl Mannheim


Robert Paul Wolff Ideological Critique Lecture Two - 47% you say.....

 
Because I don't think he's electable by the entire country. He's too polarizing. I think if Hillary gets the nom for the Dems people who wouldn't ordinarily vote for her would change their minds if Trump was the repub candidate. There are Dem Hillary haters who might vote for a reasonable repub against her, but Trump isn't that person.
 
Because I don't think he's electable by the entire country. He's too polarizing. I think if Hillary gets the nom for the Dems people who wouldn't ordinarily vote for her would change their minds if Trump was the repub candidate. There are Dem Hillary haters who might vote for a reasonable repub against her, but Trump isn't that person.

Ahh the old "reasonable republican" meme. I do love the stories that the democrat party tells themselves. As if their candidates are the epitome of "reasonable". Good stuff.

If Hillary loses Iowa she is done like dinner. She cannot survive.
 
I think Trumps nomination would harm the Republican party and illustrate that any image of something close to a conservative majority is a farce. Very likely the Conservatives would run a candidate on a third party ticket that would get 20 to 30% of the vote. They might even win!

I think Trumps election to the office of president might just end the Republican party. It would be likely the Conservatives would mount a third party that would consist of 30% or so of the population, and then we can move forward with the majority rule that has been hijacked by the unholy coalition that has been called the Republican party for the last 10 to 12 years.
 
Ahh the old "reasonable republican" meme. I do love the stories that the democrat party tells themselves. As if their candidates are the epitome of "reasonable". Good stuff.

If Hillary loses Iowa she is done like dinner. She cannot survive.

^ Why so? santorum won Iowa and look where he is now.
 
^ Why so? santorum won Iowa and look where he is now.

Because she will lose New Hampshire.

What is odd is how enamored the members of the democrat party on JPP are with the GOP primary as if the democrat party nomination isn't even happening. We have you being a hard core Hillary supporter and many others supporting Bernie. Odd that none of you ever hash it out in the open.

There have been numerous clashes of JPP righties over the GOP primary. But, not among lefties. Odd
 
I Love America said:
If you want to know why Trump is doing so well, this is it

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/president-obama-helps-foreign-college-grads-get-jobs/

With over 90 million people not in the work force and more and more Milennials moving back home, this is what the political class in DC conspires to do. There is no shortage of people willing to work yet Obama and his cohorts in the GOP conspire to bring in more foreign cheap labor. It is of course a win win for the DC elite. The democrat party gets loyal voters and the GOP crony capitalists get cheaper labor. Meanwhile, real Americans get the shaft.

This is why Trump is surging in the polls and why is support is broad based. It is not JUST conservatives supporting Trump. It is a broad swath of Americans. They are tired of being taken for granted by a government they no longer recognize and no longer represents their interests.

I disagree with this too, but bringing in talented individuals can long term have positive effects. One of the issues with high level technical work is that it is concentrated in a few places among them India. People forget the number of jobs our large corporations now have in India. Most millennials I know are doing quite well provided they are able to move to say New York, Silicon Valley or Washington DC areas. When you call for tech support or have a question concerning just about anything ask the rep where they are. I know people who then ask for an American, do you? Also high level work is not for everyone, we need jobs at all skill levels and then ask yourself where that product is made. This Christmas we bought lots of made in America gifts. While they cost more it supports us all. What car do you drive too. Blaming Obama for this and pretending Trump will be different is weak and off point. Time Americans stood up for their neighbors and opposed the oligarchy that is our nation today.
 
Why? Do you think he would fail and when? Election or later as that other famous outsider Jimmy Carter?

Lesson for today, any fans of Robert Paul Wolff, his blog is often interesting. I am often fascinated by how we come to know what we know and why. I have lots of thoughts but who am I to lecture. Actually I do often....lol 'Ideology and Utopia: An Introduction to the Sociology of Knowledge' by Karl Mannheim


Robert Paul Wolff Ideological Critique Lecture Two - 47% you say.....

Cheese and rice Midcan....some babbling senile white guy. What the sam hill was he supposed to be talking about? 6 minutes into the video and he hadn't said a thing.
 
Because I don't think he's electable by the entire country. He's too polarizing. I think if Hillary gets the nom for the Dems people who wouldn't ordinarily vote for her would change their minds if Trump was the repub candidate. There are Dem Hillary haters who might vote for a reasonable repub against her, but Trump isn't that person.

It always cracks me up when a Hillary supporter says that. She can't even put away a self declared socialist who's still a sixties hippie in her own party. Self actualization's not a liberal asset
 
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