Obama And Fascism

AssHatZombie said:
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Now the final issue here is why do Socialists, Communists, Fascist and Jesuit Coadjutors of any political stripe constantly push for this “gun control” and disarmament. It is simple, for DEMOCIDE (State mass murder in general) and GENOCIDE (State mass murder of a particular ethnic, racial or religious group). There is one simple fact of history and that is that in any form no matter how democratic, authoritarian or totalitarian SOCIALISM ALWAYS FAILS!!! The symptoms of this failuer ar a gradually lowered production of even the neccisities of life as Socialist regulation, taxation and finally regimentation of the means of production increases. Eventually a socialist government has to go through three phases to keep its power going in the face of their perpetually failing system. The first phase is the taxation phase where tax rates on virtually all the taxes move up into the high double didghets of 80 or 90 per cent. The second phase is the printing phase where money is issued in unstainable amounts to keep the state in power once everything it can get through taxation has been extracted and spent. The third phase is the KILLING phase (Zimbabwe is now in transition between the Printing and Killing phases) where the population has to be reduced to reduce the demand for Socialist government services and the basic neccissities of life. This can take the form of a DEMOCIDE (general state mass murder) or a GENOCIDE (state mass murder of state targeted ethnic, religious and racial groups). Many Socialists are saying that Capitalism always fails too because of the current economic mess but the problem with their theory is that WE DO NOT HAVE REAL CAPITALISM IN THE SO CALLED CAPITALIST COUNTRIES which is based in competition between private businesses, honest metal based money and copyrights and patents STRICTLY limited to allow for that competition. What we have is yet another form of SOCIALISM I call democratic Fascism where the state is married to “public” corporations protected from competition by virtually perminent copyrights, patents where patents have no business being (software, genetic and business model patents as a forinstance) and other corporation protecting regulation and a “social safety net” like Social Security and Medicare supplied to everyone else so that they can hopefully afford the proces that this kind of fascist socialism brings about.
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I hate to admit it, but I agree with everything you've just said.
 
Mottleydude said:
You do? You do realize that Asshat is a delusional paranoid with latent homosexual tendencies, do you?
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No, I did not realize that. Admittedly I haven't been around that long. However, in my short time here I have observed that you hurl insults like a sniveling child, and rely very little on facts.
 
Tabasco said:
No, I did not realize that. Admittedly I haven't been around that long. However, in my short time here I have observed that you hurl insults like a sniveling child, and rely very little on facts.
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That's really not true. I'm just really tough on extremist right wingers. They fucking ruined the Republican party and led this country to the brink of disaster. The main reason I'm hurling insults at you Toby is because you started playing that game. So either get a thick hide or STFU.
 
Mottleydude said:
That's really not true. I'm just really tough on extremist right wingers. They fucking ruined the Republican party and led this country to the brink of disaster. The main reason I'm hurling insults at you Toby is because you started playing that game. So either get a thick hide or STFU.
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Mottley,

Who the fuck is Toby?

I have behaved like a grown-up from the beginning, and avoided unnecessary personal attacks. Unlike you, I am interested in having a real discussion of the issues. YOU are playing "that game" (acting like a sniveling child) by yourself, and without provocation. Don't blame me.

Had you bothered to actually read some of my posts, you'd know I am highly critical of the Bush administration. Yes, I am a Republican. I believe it is the only vehicle whereby conservatives can make any significant difference. I also believe the previous administration severely fucked up our country. That is why I want the GOP to return to its roots of individual liberty, free markets, and sane foreign policy. And I am hopeful that in 2012 or 2016 we will have a candidate who sufficiently embodies those principles.

I am not a Bush supporter - I want the government to stay out of our fucking lives. Is that clear enough for you, asshole? Oh, and if you are indeed a "moderate" (which is bullshit), you would express criticism of left-wingers as well as those on the right. You sir are no moderate.
 
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Tabasco said:
Mottley,

Who the fuck is Toby?

I have behaved like a grown-up from the beginning, and avoided unnecessary personal attacks. Unlike you, I am interested in having a real discussion of the issues. YOU are playing "that game" (acting like a sniveling child) by yourself, and without provocation. Don't blame me.

Had you bothered to actually read some of my posts, you'd know I am highly critical of the Bush administration. Yes, I am a Republican. I believe it is the only vehicle whereby conservatives can make any significant difference. I also believe the previous administration severely fucked up our country. That is why I want the GOP to return to its roots of individual liberty, free markets, and sane foreign policy. And I am hopeful that in 2012 or 2016 we will have a candidate who sufficiently embodies those principles.

I am not a Bush supporter - I want the government to stay out of our fucking lives. Is that clear enough for you, asshole? Oh, and if you are indeed a "moderate" (which is bullshit), you would express criticism of left-wingers as well as those on the right. You sir are no moderate.
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Look, I'll reach out to you. The reason I've been harsh towards you is that your first response to one of my post was an ad-hominin attack on myself using right wing rhetoric. That put you in a box as far as I was concerned. I can give as good as I take and I have a real thick hide. If you make your post towards me civil I will return the favor. You're obviously not a total fucking idiot or I wouldn't respond to your post.

As for my moderate credentials. I really hate using labels like Liberal, Moderate or Conservative cause, as Orwell taught us, when you divide your self into these camps you set your self up to be manipulated by politicians (which explains why politicians hated Orwell when he was alive). There are issues in which I span the gamet and I"m sure that probably applies to you as well. As for being a moderate, I was, to use a cliche, a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, right of center Republican for 24 years. I left the Republican party when to far to the right and invading Iraq was the straw that broke the camels back (though not the only one by any means). The first vote I ever cast was for George H.W. Bush in the 1980 primaries. I voted for Reagan twice, and Bush 1 after him. I've voted for far more Republicans in my life than Dems, at this point.

The reason you don't hear me criticize Democrats for their faults is;

1. They are presently not nearly as guilty of extremism as the Republican party which seems to keep growing more and more extreme.
2. They haven't made nearly as many fuck ups in governing as Republicans have in recent years and I worship at the alter of competence and objectivity. (Fuck the ideologues!).
3. You haven't been around this board that long.

Perversely, there are issues that I'm extremely conservative about (science for instance) for which I'm perceived to be a liberal. For example, I strongly oppose teaching ID/Creationism in science class rooms as it has no place there.
 
AssHatZombie said:
http://patriotcity.wordpress.com/20...cure-jesuit-temporal-coadjutor-john-hargrave/

Now the final issue here is why do Socialists, Communists, Fascist and Jesuit Coadjutors of any political stripe constantly push for this “gun control” and disarmament. It is simple, for DEMOCIDE (State mass murder in general) and GENOCIDE (State mass murder of a particular ethnic, racial or religious group). There is one simple fact of history and that is that in any form no matter how democratic, authoritarian or totalitarian SOCIALISM ALWAYS FAILS!!! The symptoms of this failuer ar a gradually lowered production of even the neccisities of life as Socialist regulation, taxation and finally regimentation of the means of production increases. Eventually a socialist government has to go through three phases to keep its power going in the face of their perpetually failing system. The first phase is the taxation phase where tax rates on virtually all the taxes move up into the high double didghets of 80 or 90 per cent. The second phase is the printing phase where money is issued in unstaina.
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Stopped reading here.
 
Mottleydude said:
Look, I'll reach out to you.
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Thank you, Mottley.

Even though this is "just the internet", I do believe some level of camaraderie is important if we are to productively discuss the issues. Otherwise, it just seems like a waste of everyone's time. *Shrug*

There are a few characters around here (on both sides) who seem to be very unreasonable. I'm pleased that you are not one of them.

The reason I've been harsh towards you is that your first response to one of my post was an ad-hominin attack on myself using right wing rhetoric.
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Hmm. I do not recall, but I offer my apology. I do my best to look at things objectively. But at the end of the day, I'm still a libertarian-leaning conservative, and my ideology strongly influences how I look at the world around us.
 
Mottleydude said:
You don't know what you're talking about. There all socialized government funded and government operated institution. Whether or not they are constitutionally mandated or are municipally used is not relevent to that fact. They are socialized institutions. They function on the principles of socialism and not a free market economy.

You're comment about schools and hospitals is just completely asinine. First, private schools are not almost always better. In fact, most private schools are parochial schools that are about as bad as the worst inner city schools. Most kids I knew coming from parochial school, when I went to college, were dumber than shit and washed out. The only once's with a half assed decent education were the Catholic students. Secondly, neither institution could provide an acceptable level of quality of service if they were ran by the private sector. Not at a national level Skippy.

Can you imagine what a scary thought it would be to have our military ran by a bunch of free market mercenaries? Thank FUCKING GOD for socialism cause it has it's time and place.
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You need to make up your mind what you are arguing about. No conservative I know advocates eliminating constitutionally mandated programs. We advocate the federal government limiting itself to its mandate, and nothing more. What we are against is expansion of the federal government to encompass more and more aspects: socialism.

Your comment on private schools is anecdotal evidence of your alone and I doubt you could support it by statistics.
 
Southern Man said:
You need to make up your mind what you are arguing about. No conservative I know advocates eliminating constitutionally mandated programs. We advocate the federal government limiting itself to its mandate, and nothing more. What we are against is expansion of the federal government to encompass more and more aspects: socialism.

Your comment on private schools is anecdotal evidence of your alone and I doubt you could support it by statistics.
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No, what you are doing is cherry picking those programs you like and labeling them one thing and taking the ones you don't like and labeling them "socialism" with out any regards to the facts.
 
Southern Man said:
You need to make up your mind what you are arguing about. No conservative I know advocates eliminating constitutionally mandated programs. We advocate the federal government limiting itself to its mandate, and nothing more. What we are against is expansion of the federal government to encompass more and more aspects: socialism.

Your comment on private schools is anecdotal evidence of your alone and I doubt you could support it by statistics.
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The National Center for Education Statistics released a study comparing private and public schools and factoring for socio-economic differences between the two populations. The study measured fourth grade and eighth grade reading and math achievement using the National Assessment of Educational Progress, which has been testing children for more than thirty years to provide information to policy makers. In summary, the report concludes that after factoring for population differences, there is little difference in achievement for students in public vs. private education settings.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2006461

Note that in reading there was no significant difference from conservative Christian Schools in reading scores but that in math scores conservative christian schools scored significantly lower. I don't think that it would probably be much of a stretch to assume the same would be true had they tested science scores.
 
Mottleydude said:
The National Center for Education Statistics released a study comparing private and public schools and factoring for socio-economic differences between the two populations. The study measured fourth grade and eighth grade reading and math achievement using the National Assessment of Educational Progress, which has been testing children for more than thirty years to provide information to policy makers. In summary, the report concludes that after factoring for population differences, there is little difference in achievement for students in public vs. private education settings.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2006461

Note that in reading there was no significant difference from conservative Christian Schools in reading scores but that in math scores conservative christian schools scored significantly lower. I don't think that it would probably be much of a stretch to assume the same would be true had they tested science scores.
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How does one "factor for population difference"?
 
Mottleydude said:
No, what you are doing is cherry picking those programs you like and labeling them one thing and taking the ones you don't like and labeling them "socialism" with out any regards to the facts.
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No, what I'm doing is "cherry picking" the programs specifically enumerated in the US Constitution, and saying that its best for the Feds to stay out of everything else. :)
 
Mottleydude said:
The National Center for Education Statistics released a study comparing private and public schools and factoring for socio-economic differences between the two populations. The study measured fourth grade and eighth grade reading and math achievement using the National Assessment of Educational Progress, which has been testing children for more than thirty years to provide information to policy makers. In summary, the report concludes that after factoring for population differences, there is little difference in achievement for students in public vs. private education settings.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2006461

Note that in reading there was no significant difference from conservative Christian Schools in reading scores but that in math scores conservative christian schools scored significantly lower. I don't think that it would probably be much of a stretch to assume the same would be true had they tested science scores.
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Imagine that, a government report indicating that government schools are doing OK with respect to private schools.

What is the average cost per student public v private?

Why not let the parents decide which schools they want to send their kids to? Because of the massive fees (taxes) forcefully extracted from parents' pockets, they don't have much left to be able to make that choice. Imagine how great both public and private schools would be if there was true competition.
 
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