Obama is against Legalizing Pot

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Republicans quest for freedom and power can be had by being on the right side. Listen to Judge Napalitano who said of FOX NEWS prohibition was a failure. Kinda like it was with booze.
Except pot is medicine.:cig:
 
if republicans ever got behind ending the prohibition They would win the house, senate, and presidency in a landslide.
 
isn't this contradictory for obama? i thought he mentioned looking at making it legal or something like that....

i think obama has changed since being in office. he now has the power and doesn't want to yield that power. having marijuana illegal gives the federal government great power over many people's lives, including both those who need for medicinal purposes and those who use it for recreational purposes.

ah, but fuck it obama.....let's have a BEER at the whitehouse....alcohol is not addicting, you can't die from drinking it, you can easily drive while intoxicated, hell.....in some cases you can even get out of a contract if you're drunk because you lack the MENTAL CAPACITY to sign the contract....and it certainly does not cause liver problems....
 
Topspin said:
Republicans quest for freedom and power can be had by being on the right side. Listen to Judge Napalitano who said of FOX NEWS prohibition was a failure. Kinda like it was with booze.
Except pot is medicine.:cig:
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There is a BIG difference between generalized legalization of marijuana and legalization of medicinal marijuana. Personally, I'm against general legalization because we've got enough problems with drunks as it is....we don't have to add stoners to the mix.

As a side note: Hemp has been kept off the market NOT because of it's minute contents of chemicals found in common use marijuana..but because it is more sturdy, easier to harvest than cotton and could do away with more expenses synthetic threads in many instances. Bottom line: MONEY and monopoly.
 
Taichiliberal said:
There is a BIG difference between generalized legalization of marijuana and legalization of medicinal marijuana. Personally, I'm against general legalization because we've got enough problems with drunks as it is....we don't have to add stoners to the mix.

As a side note: Hemp has been kept off the market NOT because of it's minute contents of chemicals found in common use marijuana..but because it is more sturdy, easier to harvest than cotton and could do away with more expenses synthetic threads in many instances. Bottom line: MONEY and monopoly.
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Refusing to acknowledge a problem doesn't mean that it doesn't currently exist anyway.

And also, the Dupont stuff you mention is bullshit.
 
Yurt said:
your last sentence is bullshit

it is about power

stop crying the wolf of racism and wake up
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Power? Can you be a little less vague? Power is part of racism, so I guess.

Study the history of it. There are plenty of examples of obvious racism in the speeches made and articles written in support of prohibition.
 
Yurt, Jesus people who are for the end of prohibition should stop fighting about the justification.
It was origianally sold on racist positions. Blackie/brownie will rape your white wife. Did industrial companies benefit sure.
Pointing out the racist element is a very strong argument as many non informed people believe the current bs put out by the gov.
 
P.S. way more minorieties are arrested despite not having higher useage rates.
so the application of the law is racist as well.
 
I told you that Obama is a fraud from top to bottom.

Oops, Obama was for decriminalizing marijuana before he opposed it

Here's that uncomfortable old video problem again for presidential candidates.

The Washington Times has unearthed a video of a debate in Barack Obama's initial Illinois campaign for the U.S. Senate in 2004. The debate tape from Jan. 21, 2004, at Northwestern University shows Obama proclaiming the war on drugs an "utter failure."

"We need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," he said to scattered applause. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana. What I do believe is that we need to rethink how we're operating in the drug war. Currently, we're not doing a good job."

OK. Fine.

But then in a Democratic debate last fall, Tim Russert asked all the party's candidates if anyone disagreed with Sen. Chris Dodd's idea to decriminalize marijuana. Obama, standing center stage, was one of several candidates who raised their hand, albeit not very high.

An Obama spokesman told the newspaper the other day that the senator has "always" favored decriminalization as he said in the 2004 debate, meaning he mistakenly raised his hand as an opponent for the national TV audience.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/oops-obama-was.html

The ONLY thing this guy cares about is getting elected, and his every move is based on that goal alone.

I also told you that he doesn't care about a public option either. All he wants is a bill he can sign and declare victory.
 
that's exactly why republicans could easily gain a tactical/strategic advantage on that gaining the youth vote they so ineptly are trying to do.
They could sell it as a freedom from gov issue, a fiscal issue, a moral issue. Lots of ways to sell it.
They general public is way ahead of politicians in not wanting people jailed for something less dangerous than a couple beers.
 
RStringfield said:
Power? Can you be a little less vague? Power is part of racism, so I guess.

Study the history of it. There are plenty of examples of obvious racism in the speeches made and articles written in support of prohibition.
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i have studied the history, quite extensively....

Topspin said:
Yurt, Jesus people who are for the end of prohibition should stop fighting about the justification.
It was origianally sold on racist positions. Blackie/brownie will rape your white wife. Did industrial companies benefit sure.
Pointing out the racist element is a very strong argument as many non informed people believe the current bs put out by the gov.
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yes, as we've discussed before, it was originally sold as evil and racism was used. however, as i said before, racism was not the reason, only the vehicle to get people against the drug. the reason was paper and hearst didn't want his virtual monopoly ruined by this weed that can be turned into paper and instead of 70+ years turn around on the crop, you have maybe 2 years, a weed....hemp was used for many things before its prohibition, rope, sails, cloth. after highschool i took care of an elderly lady before i went to college and we were talking about the leaf and she told me that in her day, it literally grew wild in fields where she lived.

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P.S. way more minorieties are arrested despite not having higher useage rates.
so the application of the law is racist as well.
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that doesn't make the application of the law racist, what you would need is the law saying that ganja is only illegal in certain areas, say where more black people happen to live. the law is no longer racist, it is solely about power over you and i.

i remember starting a thread here a few months back supporting obama's take on marijuana vis a vis holder saying they would leave the states alone....obama severely disappoints
 
Topspin said:
that's exactly why republicans could easily gain a tactical/strategic advantage on that gaining the youth vote they so ineptly are trying to do.
They could sell it as a freedom from gov issue, a fiscal issue, a moral issue. Lots of ways to sell it.
They general public is way ahead of politicians in not wanting people jailed for something less dangerous than a couple beers.
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It is not the nature of conservatives to change. "Conserve" means to maintain the status quo no matter what the changing dynamics may be.

The American people do not own our politicians .. corporations do.

Thus, you'd be better served convincing corporations on the harmlessness of weed. Convince them on how they could make money if weed was legal and you'd have much better results than wasting your time with politicians.

Go directly to their boss. Go to your politician and ask to see someone in charge.
 
RStringfield said:
I bought into myself, but yeah the Dupont/Hearst conspiracy is nonsense.

http://www.marijuana.com/drug-war-headline-news/92894-usa-debunking-hemp-conspiracy-theory.html

The drug war has always been primarily driven by racism.
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True, there's a lot of bigotry in the "war on drugs" but M-O-N-E-Y is the primary factor...because money translates into political power.

And don't be too sure about Dupont/Hearst

http://www.naihc.org/hemp_information/hemp_facts.html

Start here and follow the links, because it's a very brief and easy read on the facts surrounding the ban on industrialized hemp.

http://hempnowbook.com/william-randolph-hearst.html
 
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