Obama refuses help of Dutch skimmers

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Apparently Obama refused a number of offers to help immediately fllowing the explosion of the Horizon~~~
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Obama Administration, Contributory Negligence for Refusing Dutch Skimmers

While everyone is condemning BP and certainly the oil spill is on their backs, contributory negligence by the Obama Administration may be a factor in the assessment of damages.

According to several sources, as many as 13 countries or organizations offered assistance. All of it was refused. Dutch skimmers and Belgian skimmers reportedly have technology that would have greatly reduced the current future damages. The Dutch skimmers were offered 3 days after the spill. (see ..”why did Obama refuse to go Dutch”)

The Jones Act was given as why the Obama Administration did not accept support. However, “On the other hand, waivers of the Jones may be granted by the Administration in cases of national emergencies or in cases of strategic interest.”, according to Dian L. Chu, Economic Forecasts & Opinions.

If the damage caused by the BP oil spill would be greatly reduced had assistance been delivered as offered, is the US through the Obama administration partly responsible for the liability?

How does the bill get split or shared? Does it get split? BP left itself to be the whipping boy and really hasn’t commented on the administration’s refusal of help from the Dutch, Belgian and others. Is the administration responsible for some percentage of the damage caused by the spill, contributory negligence. Is there a reason to, in part, hold the Obama Administration accountable for damages.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
government must be shown to be competent, even if it means turning down competent outside help.
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Yeah...but...but... this is back when Obama was in control from the first day, he was just plain dumb naive and let BP run the show (LOL)~~~ Wonder if BP would have turned down the skimmers???
 
A quick clean-up wouldn't help the messiah's agenda, which is to destroy the US economy in order to gain more government control. Obama is a long-term thinker, far above us mere mortals.
 
Southern Man said:
A quick clean-up wouldn't help the messiah's agenda, which is to destroy the US economy in order to gain more government control. Obama is a long-term thinker, far above us mere mortals.
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There is no crisis that can't be taken political advatage of! That said, I think in the beginning he underestimated the disaster and had more frolicking tastes to attend to. His inexperience as a leader and lack of wisdom (letting BP run the show) have been brightly illuminated during this crisis...He 's an inept empty suit.
 
The unions objected to outside help....

The Jones Act "ensures that the U.S. keeps and maintains a fleet of ships staffed by U.S. crews and owned by U.S. companies."

http://www.shipguide.com/the-jones-act.html

It was the "U.S. Companies" portion that kept them at bay... and that caused the refusal...

Some of the damages must therefore be partially attributed to this refusal.
 
Damocles said:
The unions objected to outside help....

The Jones Act "ensures that the U.S. keeps and maintains a fleet of ships staffed by U.S. crews and owned by U.S. companies."

http://www.shipguide.com/the-jones-act.html

It was the "U.S. Companies" portion that kept them at bay... and that caused the refusal...
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"The Jones Act was given as why the Obama Administration did not accept support. However, “On the other hand, waivers of the Jones may be granted by the Administration in cases of national emergencies or in cases of strategic interest.”, according to Dian L. Chu, Economic Forecasts & Opinions."
 
Ice Dancer said:
"The Jones Act was given as why the Obama Administration did not accept support. However, “On the other hand, waivers of the Jones may be granted by the Administration in cases of national emergencies or in cases of strategic interest.”, according to Dian L. Chu, Economic Forecasts & Opinions."
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Believe me, I know. I've told Taichiliberal that it would take only a stroke of a Presidential pen to change this and get these things working. He refused to even comprehend how the Administration could possibly help at all and even suggested that BP was "in control" of everything.
 
Sure looks like Obama is doing two things:
A) Let BP control the clean-up and thus control the size of the fines they'll be paying. ($1000-$4300 per gallon fines)
B) Use the disaster to push green tech, CO2 alarmist policies, and carbon schemes

He has no reason to clean up a mess that he can use to frighten people into adopting green philosphy.
 
Damocles said:
The unions objected to outside help....

The Jones Act "ensures that the U.S. keeps and maintains a fleet of ships staffed by U.S. crews and owned by U.S. companies."

http://www.shipguide.com/the-jones-act.html

It was the "U.S. Companies" portion that kept them at bay... and that caused the refusal...

Some of the damages must therefore be partially attributed to this refusal.
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Do you have anything on the unions objecting to the outside help, and that this was the reason that we didn't accept help from the Dutch?

Why have we accepted help & equipment from so many other countries?
 
Onceler said:
Do you have anything on the unions objecting to the outside help, and that this was the reason that we didn't accept help from the Dutch?

Why have we accepted help & equipment from so many other countries?
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It was literally the reason given (The Jones Act) by the Administration (according to the story), it is the only portion of the Act that applies. About three weeks later, the Admiral requested the Arms from the Dutch, but they are still undeployed...

The approval still hasn't gone through. Come on, man. I've talked about this the past 40 days or so, as soon as I found out about it.
 
Damocles said:
Believe me, I know. I've told Taichiliberal that it would take only a stroke of a Presidential pen to change this and get these things working. He refused to even comprehend how the Administration could possibly help at all and even suggested that BP was "in control" of everything.
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I think he was clueless as to how bad this was because for the first week at least, (Dutch skimmers had already been refused by 3rd day) he was totally unengaged and careless.

Now, do I think he is currently taking advantage of this disater to further his green agenda? Yes, because at the end of the day Obama is a pie in the sky political ideologue!
 
Onceler said:
Do you have anything on the unions objecting to the outside help, and that this was the reason that we didn't accept help from the Dutch?

Why have we accepted help & equipment from so many other countries?
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Do you have links regarding the 15 countries that are helping according to your claim?
 
Damocles said:
It was literally the reason given (The Jones Act) by the Administration, it is the only portion of the Act that applies.
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That's kinda weak. I read a quote from one of the Coast Guard higher-ups there that they would seek Jones Act exceptions if needed, but they already had quite a bit of foreign assistance and had pretty much an "all hands on deck" approach already.

I'm not saying it isn't debatable, but I do think it's better to have something a little more concrete when you make a statement of fact like the admin refused because of the unions.
 
Onceler said:
That's kinda weak. I read a quote from one of the Coast Guard higher-ups there that they would seek Jones Act exceptions if needed, but they already had quite a bit of foreign assistance and had pretty much an "all hands on deck" approach already.

I'm not saying it isn't debatable, but I do think it's better to have something a little more concrete when you make a statement of fact like the admin refused because of the unions.
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I think you take what I say on a message board way too seriously, and it is quite debatable. The offer was timely and could have mitigated some of the damage we will see in the next few weeks, the Administration will try to use that damage to pass stupid legislation we quite literally cannot afford in order to proceed on a pie in the sky agenda...
 
Onceler said:
That's kinda weak. I read a quote from one of the Coast Guard higher-ups there that they would seek Jones Act exceptions if needed, but they already had quite a bit of foreign assistance and had pretty much an "all hands on deck" approach already.

I'm not saying it isn't debatable, but I do think it's better to have something a little more concrete when you make a statement of fact like the admin refused because of the unions.
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You have a pretty lop-sided ability to call someone else out for not supplying support! Where's your links for the 15 countries that are helping out? Or the link now for the CG comment? It is literally all ovre the net for Obama refusing Dutch aid and other nations aid because of the freaking Jones Act!!!
 
It's over, you guys are arguing over fly shit in the Pepper. Obama got 20,000,000,000 from BP just now. He wins republicant's are fucked.
 
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