Obama's Health Care Plan

[Timshel]

There is not one. Regularly I hear on the news about how Obama's plan is doing. A good example why you should never trust anyone in the media. Obama has no plan, he has never submitted any plan for health care and he has offered little direction on the legislation.

Obama figured that Clinton's failure on health care was being to detailed in the plan he submitted to congress. So Obama left it to congress. I believe that congress should write the laws, but this debacle shows how out of practice they are with doing that on any important legislation.

The plan that appears to be coming out of congress is a complete turd. "Left" or "right" you should oppose it. There are only three reasons to support it, 1) you are an insurance company; 2) you are a Marxist that believes making it worse, no matter the consequences on real people, will inspire a full government takeover; 3) you are a partisan Dem or elected Dem that wants something.... anything to pass so you can claim victory.

 

[ib1yysguy]

There is not one. Regularly I hear on the news about how Obama's plan is doing. A good example why you should never trust anyone in the media. Obama has no plan, he has never submitted any plan for health care and he has offered little direction on the legislation.

Obama figured that Clinton's failure on health care was being to detailed in the plan he submitted to congress. So Obama left it to congress. I believe that congress should write the laws, but this debacle shows how out of practice they are with doing that on any important legislation.

The plan that appears to be coming out of congress is a complete turd. "Left" or "right" you should oppose it. There are only three reasons to support it, 1) you are an insurance company; 2) you are a Marxist that believes making it worse, no matter the consequences on real people, will inspire a full government takeover; 3) you are a partisan Dem or elected Dem that wants something.... anything to pass so you can claim victory.

The left and right do oppose the most recent bill to get revealed. I don't think I could name anyone who likes the Baucus compromise.

The right is unhappy because they'll be unhappy with any legislation that involves government helping insure the uninsured or "promote competition" (read: anything that cuts into profits). The left is unhappy because it doesn't do squat to lower prices.

 

[Beefy]

Well, I've heard him talk about mandating insurance, in other words, forcing people to buy health insurance for fear of penalty. And if I was a big 8 guy, I'd jizz myself.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Well, I've heard him talk about mandating insurance, in other words, forcing people to buy health insurance for fear of penalty. And if I was a big 8 guy, I'd jizz myself.

Yeah, it seems like the totally wrong way to go about getting everyone covered.

What? 45 million people are without insurance? Lets mandate that they buy it! That way we don't have to address the reasons they can't buy it. Problem solved!

 

[Beefy]

Yeah, it seems like the totally wrong way to go about getting everyone covered.

What? 45 million people are without insurance? Lets mandate that they buy it! That way we don't have to address the reasons they can't buy it. Problem solved!

Insurance is a business. Mandate that the demand goes way up and what happens to prices?

I vote for a public option, and I'm not joking.

This is one area where it is essential. Give me the public option and I'm on board with most other things.

And for you Republican scaretards, I've already done my research.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Insurance is a business. Mandate that the demand goes way up and what happens to prices?

I vote for a public option, and I'm not joking.

This is one area where it is essential. Give me the public option and I'm on board with most other things.

And for you Republican scaretards, I've already done my research.

I think you're not thinking this through. Demand goes up, but so does the supply in this case. It's not a scarce commodity like gold. If the mandate was going to insure everyone else without giving the insurance companies compensation along with the newly insured, you'd be right. Then they'd be supplying more people with less resources. But that's not what you're talking about or what Baucus is proposing.

 

[Beefy]

I think you're not thinking this through. Demand goes up, but so does the supply in this case. It's not a scarce commodity like gold. If the mandate was going to insure everyone else without giving the insurance companies compensation along with the newly insured, you'd be right. Then they'd be supplying more people with less resources. But that's not what you're talking about or what Baucus is proposing.

You cannot reasonably have a national mandate without a public option.

Now I understand that we have a long way to go, but to put a mandate in place is to require that somebody is going to be willing to foot the bill.

This is one of the few issues that I find a (somewhat) government partial solution to.

Mandating insurance means requiring an affordable option, and in this case the most viable bridge is a federal, public option.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

You cannot reasonably have a national mandate without a public option.

Now I understand that we have a long way to go, but to put a mandate in place is to require that somebody is going to be willing to foot the bill.

This is one of the few issues that I find a (somewhat) government partial solution to.

Mandating insurance means requiring an affordable option, and in this case the most viable bridge is a federal, public option.

A public option is a workable solution IF it is not subsidized by tax payers dollars. Obviously it would be run similar to a non-profit, but it cannot be a tax drain.

Also... since Obama and Company admit there is about $500 billion in waste within Medicare, they need to clean that shit up.... NOW.... regardless of other health care 'reforms'.

 

[Chapdog]

Obama's health reform initiative seems to be on life support. Nothing like a man made pandemic to emphasis the need for healthcare reform to get this baby moving.

 

[ib1yysguy]

You cannot reasonably have a national mandate without a public option.

Now I understand that we have a long way to go, but to put a mandate in place is to require that somebody is going to be willing to foot the bill.

This is one of the few issues that I find a (somewhat) government partial solution to.

Mandating insurance means requiring an affordable option, and in this case the most viable bridge is a federal, public option.

We agree.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

You cannot reasonably have a national mandate without a public option.

Now I understand that we have a long way to go, but to put a mandate in place is to require that somebody is going to be willing to foot the bill.

This is one of the few issues that I find a (somewhat) government partial solution to.

Mandating insurance means requiring an affordable option, and in this case the most viable bridge is a federal, public option.

good points

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

There is not one. Regularly I hear on the news about how Obama's plan is doing. A good example why you should never trust anyone in the media. Obama has no plan, he has never submitted any plan for health care and he has offered little direction on the legislation.

Obama figured that Clinton's failure on health care was being to detailed in the plan he submitted to congress. So Obama left it to congress. I believe that congress should write the laws, but this debacle shows how out of practice they are with doing that on any important legislation.

The plan that appears to be coming out of congress is a complete turd. "Left" or "right" you should oppose it. There are only three reasons to support it, 1) you are an insurance company; 2) you are a Marxist that believes making it worse, no matter the consequences on real people, will inspire a full government takeover; 3) you are a partisan Dem or elected Dem that wants something.... anything to pass so you can claim victory.

Marxist!

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

You cannot reasonably have a national mandate without a public option.

Now I understand that we have a long way to go, but to put a mandate in place is to require that somebody is going to be willing to foot the bill.

This is one of the few issues that I find a (somewhat) government partial solution to.

Mandating insurance means requiring an affordable option, and in this case the most viable bridge is a federal, public option.

I think at most the only thing we're going to get to significantly curtail profiteering would be a medium strength trigger option.

If they go with reconciliation, we could get a strong public option. I wouldn't see the point of a weak public option or co-ops.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Mandating insurance means requiring an affordable option, and in this case the most viable bridge is a federal, public option.

how do we know a federal option is an affordable option.....what we know so far is that the government plans to spend $1trillion over ten years to provide insurance for 30million (in the 10th year) people who are currently uninsured.....the rest of us will either have to have an employer who provides insurance or pay for our own.....have there been any estimates at all what the government option is going to cost for those of us who receive no subsidies from the government?.....

according to this from the AFL-CIO, insurance company profits in 2006 totaled $15billion......if, for example, there were 15 million households in America that were insurable (and obviously there are a lot more than that) and we took 100% of the insurance companies' profits and divided them up, each household would get $1000 to apply to their premiums....obviously eliminating the profits of insurance companies isn't going to save us much of our premiums....
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/healthcare/facts_insurancecompanyprofits.cfm

 

[PostmodernProphet]

bump....I would like to see one of our HR3200 supporters answer this....

 

[tinfoil]

Yeah, it seems like the totally wrong way to go about getting everyone covered.

What? 45 million people are without insurance? Lets mandate that they buy it! That way we don't have to address the reasons they can't buy it. Problem solved!

LOL you now agree with me?