Obama's very insightful Atlantic interview.

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The Atlantic recently publish a very insightful interview with former President Obama. Now, the Atlantic isn't quite the bastion of utter garbage that you get from The Grudge Report or Red State.cum, but it is a very good read:

"The First Amendment doesn’t require private companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there.”

“If we do not have the capacity to distinguish what’s true from what’s false, then by definition the marketplace of ideas doesn’t work. And by definition our democracy doesn’t work. We are entering into an epistemological crisis.”

Now, granted this ideology runs in direct opposition to that which Donald "Little Hitler" tRump would have you believe, but then again, tRump simply hates democracy and wants to be a dick-tator instead of simply a "dick".
 
Tacomaman said:
The Atlantic recently publish a very insightful interview with former President Obama. Now, the Atlantic isn't quite the bastion of utter garbage that you get from The Grudge Report or Red State.cum, but it is a very good read:

"The First Amendment doesn’t require private companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there.”

“If we do not have the capacity to distinguish what’s true from what’s false, then by definition the marketplace of ideas doesn’t work. And by definition our democracy doesn’t work. We are entering into an epistemological crisis.”

Now, granted this ideology runs in direct opposition to that which Donald "Little Hitler" tRump would have you believe, but then again, tRump simply hates democracy and wants to be a dick-tator instead of simply a "dick".
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"Epistemological crisis." True. And how many Trump supporters even know what those words mean.
 
The question of epistemology is important.

Trump supporters are authoritarians. They think if you read something it is either completely true or completely false.

For example, the New York Times must always be false. They cannot read critically.
 
BidenPresident said:
The question of epistemology is important.

Trump supporters are authoritarians. They think if you read something it is either completely true or completely false.

For example, the New York Times must always be false. They cannot read critically.
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I disagree. tRumpanzees do not think. They are ignorant and lazy. They wish to be told what to think. tRump gladly fills that request.
 
Tacomaman said:
The Atlantic recently publish a very insightful interview with former President Obama. Now, the Atlantic isn't quite the bastion of utter garbage that you get from The Grudge Report or Red State.cum, but it is a very good read:

"The First Amendment doesn’t require private companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there.”

“If we do not have the capacity to distinguish what’s true from what’s false, then by definition the marketplace of ideas doesn’t work. And by definition our democracy doesn’t work. We are entering into an epistemological crisis.”

Now, granted this ideology runs in direct opposition to that which Donald "Little Hitler" tRump would have you believe, but then again, tRump simply hates democracy and wants to be a dick-tator instead of simply a "dick".
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There you go puckering up to his incompetent black ass again, boy.

Appears you want to be a dick sucker, Kunta.
 
Tacomaman said:
The Atlantic recently publish a very insightful interview with former President Obama. Now, the Atlantic isn't quite the bastion of utter garbage that you get from The Grudge Report or Red State.cum, but it is a very good read:

"The First Amendment doesn’t require private companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there.”

“If we do not have the capacity to distinguish what’s true from what’s false, then by definition the marketplace of ideas doesn’t work. And by definition our democracy doesn’t work. We are entering into an epistemological crisis.”

Now, granted this ideology runs in direct opposition to that which Donald "Little Hitler" tRump would have you believe, but then again, tRump simply hates democracy and wants to be a dick-tator instead of simply a "dick".
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Blurring fiction with reality is something the media has done since the advent of the newspaper. Social media is just a more accelerated version of it, with a heavier leftist slant.

So, what we end up with is big tech pretending to limit speech to truth, when in reality, they just want to craft a more leftist perception of reality among the public. And admittedly, they seem to be succeeding at it somewhat.

The marketplace of ideas is a nice concept, but it's kind of like the concept of a free market. Most markets aren't actually free in the pure sense. Regulations often limit competition, which gives inordinate power to certain producers. By the same token, social media is largely monopolistic or oligopolistic, which means that censorship choices made by various platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube have major effects on public perception.

We don't have a marketplace of ideas -- we have a groupthink apparatus that extends between the different social media platforms.

Granted, the basis behind the marketplace of ideas is flawed anyway. Most people are not critical thinkers, so they tend to follow the path of least resistance. This allows for the media to shape certain narratives that become most convenient for people to follow, and they do. It takes a lot of willpower and critical thinking to go outside of these narratives, and most people simply do not have these.
 
BidenPresident said:
The question of epistemology is important.

Trump supporters are authoritarians. They think if you read something it is either completely true or completely false.

For example, the New York Times must always be false. They cannot read critically.
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Not true at all, actually. The left tends more towards staying confined to narratives. Even though the Democratic party has a history of being a "big tent" party, woke ideology is taking it over.

At this point, the GOP is more of a big tent party, with competing ideologies as diverse as populism, neoconservatism, and libertarianism.

Another advantage that many conservatives have is that they often used to be liberal or progressive. I happen to be one of those people, so I understand how that side thinks. Not as many progressives or liberals used to be conservative.

When it comes to consuming news, I read a lot of different sources. I can glean a lot from the New York Times, but I do it knowing that they won't usually include the facts that go against the narrative they want to push. This gives me an idea of what to look for using other sources.

I know plenty of conservatives that consume progressive news in addition to conservative news, but I don't know as many progressives that consume conservative news in addition to their progressive news. There are probably multiple reasons for this, but one of them seems to be a lack of interest on their part.
 
Saudade said:
Not true at all, actually. The left tends more towards staying confined to narratives. Even though the Democratic party has a history of being a "big tent" party, woke ideology is taking it over.

At this point, the GOP is more of a big tent party, with competing ideologies as diverse as populism, neoconservatism, and libertarianism.

Another advantage that many conservatives have is that they often used to be liberal or progressive. I happen to be one of those people, so I understand how that side thinks. Not as many progressives or liberals used to be conservative.

When it comes to consuming news, I read a lot of different sources. I can glean a lot from the New York Times, but I do it knowing that they won't usually include the facts that go against the narrative they want to push. This gives me an idea of what to look for using other sources.

I know plenty of conservatives that consume progressive news in addition to conservative news, but I don't know as many progressives that consume conservative news in addition to their progressive news. There are probably multiple reasons for this, but one of them seems to be a lack of interest on their part.
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Why do you right wingers keep blabbering about "narratives." Is FOX telling you to say that?
 
BidenPresident said:
Why do you right wingers keep blabbering about "narratives." Is FOX telling you to say that?
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Critical thinking should tell you the importance of narratives. Also, a background in media or journalism would as well.

Anyone familiar with how the media operates knows that the whole truth is not the goal. It's about pushing a version of the truth that fits your interests. Every media source does this, which is why cross-referencing sources is paramount.
 
Saudade said:
Critical thinking should tell you the importance of narratives. Also, a background in media or journalism would as well.

Anyone familiar with how the media operates knows that the whole truth is not the goal. It's about pushing a version of the truth that fits your interests. Every media source does this, which is why cross-referencing sources is paramount.
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Your problem. Turn off FOX.
 
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