Olympic boxer Imane Khelif’s leaked lab results offer new evidence about her biological sex

gmark77 said:
THANK YOU REPUBLICAN GOD FOR HELPING US LEARN WHAT IS IN YET ANOTHER PERSON'S PANTS.

This is really important stuff to America.

Literally NOTHING ELSE is bothering us.
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If we are supposed to teach young men that it is never okay to hit women, do we add a caveat for those folks that cannot be deadnamed or do we just stop teaching that? Which of these options do you think will protect my daughter better?
 
FastLane said:
At least it isn't left wing propaganda like the NY Times. There is a reason they got the Fake Russian dossier, The Real Hunter Laptop, Joe's real dementia wrong. Those are some of biggest stories of the decade and the NY Post got them right and the NY Times blew them. But hey the NY Times got a Pulizer for getting the fake dossier story wrong. So there is that at least. :laugh:
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NY times is written on a higher level and written on the college level, The Sunday times has many sections and no comic strips. The NYTs NY addition features art, culture lifestyles and a section on books with author excerpts of their work and editorials by world leaders. It Isn't the low brow crap that fly over country MAGA sub-species feed on
 
Guno צְבִי said:
NY times is written on a higher level and written on the college level, The Sunday times has many sections and no comic strips. The NYTs NY addition features art, culture lifestyles and a section on books with author excerpts of their work and editorials by world leaders. It Isn't the low brow crap that fly over country MAGA sub-species feed on
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THE NYT LIED TO YOU . ARE YOU JUST TOO STUPID TO CARE? PROPAGANDA WRITTEN AT A HIGH LEVEL IS STILL JUST PROPAGANDA. Call me crazy but I prefer the truth.
 
Damocles said:
Wow - it sounds like you have a very deep understanding of all the aspects around this issue. Thank you for being smug without actually providing any insight. If you are going to teach that sex and gender are different, then we need to define the difference and separate things by sex rather than gender.
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I don't have a deep understanding. Which is why I give people the benefit of the doubt.

I think many people ascribe characterizations to an entire community based on that community's most vocal members. Which generally make up a small minority of that community. I don't think most in the trans community "demand" anything. I think they're just trying to figure out their lives like the rest of us, but w/ an added challenge.
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't have a deep understanding. Which is why I give people the benefit of the doubt.

I think many people ascribe characterizations to an entire community based on that community's most vocal members. Which generally make up a small minority of that community. I don't think most in the trans community "demand" anything. I think they're just trying to figure out their lives like the rest of us, but w/ an added challenge.
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I see what you are saying. However, the demand has been made, and folks were taking the "turtle" gender person seriously. At some point, we are somewhere I do not think we need to go.

I'm good with someone using pronouns that they weren't born into, seriously I am. I even use them, purposefully and without rancor. Adults who make such a transition should absolutely be able to do what they want, dress how they want, and be who they want to be. I do draw a line at a point where I must take someone seriously who uses "turtle" as a gender and pronoun. You can do that on your own time, don't try to take up any of mine with it.
 
Damocles said:
I see what you are saying. However, the demand has been made, and folks were taking the "turtle" gender person seriously. At some point, we are somewhere I do not think we need to go.

I'm good with someone using pronouns that they weren't born into, seriously I am. I even use them, purposefully and without rancor. Adults who make such a transition should absolutely be able to do what they want, dress how they want, and be who they want to be. I do draw a line at a point where I must take someone seriously who uses "turtle" as a gender and pronoun. You can do that on your own time, don't try to take up any of mine with it.
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I don't really disagree w/ most of that.

I probably misunderstood where you're coming from. It's a complicated issue, that I think some advocates for that community don't help by trying to push society into a place that we're not just ready to be. I think most in the community have more of a quiet struggle of trying to fit in and figure things out without all of the politics that they get dragged into.
 
Damocles said:
I see what you are saying. However, the demand has been made, and folks were taking the "turtle" gender person seriously. At some point, we are somewhere I do not think we need to go.

I'm good with someone using pronouns that they weren't born into, seriously I am. I even use them, purposefully and without rancor. Adults who make such a transition should absolutely be able to do what they want, dress how they want, and be who they want to be. I do draw a line at a point where I must take someone seriously who uses "turtle" as a gender and pronoun. You can do that on your own time, don't try to take up any of mine with it.
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Should your wife or daughter be forced to share a dressing room or bathroom with a trans person.
 
FastLane said:
Should your wife or daughter be forced to share a dressing room or bathroom with a trans person.
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I think all restrooms should be the unisex type. 1 toilet, lock on the door, sink to wash hands. I'd ask those people that ask this... Do you think the only perverts you need to protect your children from are trans? I'll give you a hint, they aren't...
 
Damocles said:
I think all restrooms should be the unisex type. 1 toilet, lock on the door, sink to wash hands. I'd ask those people that ask this... Do you think the only perverts you need to protect your children from are trans? I'll give you a hint, they aren't...
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We can find many instances of people in positions as priests, pastors, youth pastors and Scout leaders abusing children than you can find trans people abusing children.

Trans people aren’t perverts.
 
Phantasmal said:
We can find many instances of people in positions as priests, pastors, youth pastors and Scout leaders abusing children than you can find trans people abusing children.

Trans people aren’t perverts.
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Well, not all of them certainly. There will be pervs in every group, including the trans folks. My point wasn't that I think they are pervs, only that most pervs are not trans.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, I can see where I gave the wrong impression there. I need to be more precise in my language.
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One hundred percent.

Sometimes, you appear to want to be on all sides of an issue which is typical of Libertarians.

All trans are freaks, perverted and deviant.

Any man who puts on a dress and lipstick and whacks off his Johnson and pretends to be a woman is not only a freak, perverted and deviant, he is mentally ill.

It's called common sense which is something I thought you possessed.

de·vi·ant
/ˈdēvēənt/


adjective
adjective: deviant
  1. departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.
 
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FastLane said:
It has testosterone that other 100% women do not have . It has an unfair advantage in sports. Women deserve to have a level playing field. Deal with it.
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What's to deal with? I don't give a fuck one way or the other. When women were complaining during the Olympics, I read up on her. Everyone was falsely claiming she his trans.

She is not. She was born a woman. With a vagina.

Deal with it.
 
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