osama bin laden sadham hussien

[Don Quixote]

osama bin laden and afghanistan
we drove out the taliban and returned afghan government back to the afghanis...sort of

sadham hussein and iraq
we killed sadham and the worst of his sons and have set up a democratic government in irag...sort of

cost over $1,000,000,000,000.00 out of pocket and another $2,000,000,000,000.00 required before we can get out and clean up the mess there and at home -

thousands killed
over 10,000 maimed
tens of thousands wounded
an untold mental disease inflicted on survivors

this because obl orchestrated the destruction of the twin trade towers

this because sh orchestrated the attempt on poppy

other results; we strengthened al qaeda
we strengthened the taliban

we have killed, maimed and wounded hundreds of thousands of afghans and iraqis

we have alienated a large number of muslims

we have weakened the u s of a here and abroad


we may get out of iraq, but what about afghanistan, will the increase in troops and material be enough to push the taliban back out of afghanistan and secure a democratic government there

will females in afghanistan and iraq live in freedom or will they be relegated back to the sharia and all that goes with it

we can not do this for the afghans and iraqis, they must struggle to acheive this for themselves

by we, i mean both dems, reps and independents and all u s of a citizens

to give credit where credit is due, some u s of a citizens tried to stop this, but nowhere near enough...even today

fyi i include myself in those that did not do enough

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Here's the thing Don... you are stupid. Most of what you simplistically stated is not related to reality. You seem to be disconnected from the fact that a radical Islamic fundamentalist group declared war on us a long time ago, blew up our embassies and the USS Cole, killing numerous Americans in the process, before launching the worst act of aggression in history on US soil. Now, Don? What exactly would you like for us to have done? Nothing? Perhaps we could have baked cookies for them? To be honest, I don't think it would have done much good, Don... their mantra is "Death to the Infidel -- Death to the Jew!" What they are interested in is not peace, not prosperity, not better economic conditions.... they are interested in eliminating us and the Jews from the planet, so they can facilitate the emergence of the 12 Imam, and pave the way for the "second-coming" on their God, Allah. They believe they are mandated by their God to cut our heads off because we are heathen infidels who don't deserve to live. It's important you understand that, and not simply believe some anti-war liberal propaganda.

Don, I hate war. Believe it or not! Yes, I know that comes as a shock, because you've been told that us right wingers love war, and that's just not true. I hate it, and wish that our planet could exist without any wars ever! It would be a wonderful place indeed! But Don, that's not reality. That's not facing the facts, or comprehending things as they really are. If I could wave a magic wand and make things as simplified as you stated them, I would be happy to do that, Don! If I could bring back the millions of Americans who have given their lives so that others can enjoy freedom, I would do it, Don! But, you see... it doesn't matter what you say, or how simplified you try to make things, or even how much I wish I could go along with your lunacy, it doesn't change reality.

You and your liberal friends did everything you could to demonize Bush and discredit the war on terror. You managed to get Obama elected on the anti-war rhetoric and promise to bring home the troops... he's your guy, not mine.... and he has committed to sending another 17k troops to Afghanistan and 15k more to Iraq, so he basically lied to you. Don't be mad at me for that, it's not my fault. The fact of the matter is, that's reality.

Don, I can remember back when I was 13... I used to think... ya know, why can't the world live in peace? Why do we have to fight wars? It was so hard for me to comprehend... it seemed like, it was such a simple and easy thing... let's just not fight anymore! But here's where reality comes in, Don... we have to fight wars to secure freedom. If we don't fight, we lose freedom to tyrants. Now Don, maybe you in your simple mind, don't really appreciate freedom, maybe you don't really comprehend or grasp what it would be like to lose your freedoms and be oppressed by a tyrant... I don't know, but I know I want to keep mine, and I want others to have freedom as well.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Here's the thing Don... you are stupid. Most of what you simplistically stated is not related to reality. You seem to be disconnected from the fact that a radical Islamic fundamentalist group declared war on us a long time ago, blew up our embassies and the USS Cole, killing numerous Americans in the process, before launching the worst act of aggression in history on US soil. Now, Don? What exactly would you like for us to have done? Nothing? Perhaps we could have baked cookies for them? To be honest, I don't think it would have done much good, Don... their mantra is "Death to the Infidel -- Death to the Jew!" What they are interested in is not peace, not prosperity, not better economic conditions.... they are interested in eliminating us and the Jews from the planet, so they can facilitate the emergence of the 12 Imam, and pave the way for the "second-coming" on their God, Allah. They believe they are mandated by their God to cut our heads off because we are heathen infidels who don't deserve to live. It's important you understand that, and not simply believe some anti-war liberal propaganda.

Don, I hate war. Believe it or not! Yes, I know that comes as a shock, because you've been told that us right wingers love war, and that's just not true. I hate it, and wish that our planet could exist without any wars ever! It would be a wonderful place indeed! But Don, that's not reality. That's not facing the facts, or comprehending things as they really are. If I could wave a magic wand and make things as simplified as you stated them, I would be happy to do that, Don! If I could bring back the millions of Americans who have given their lives so that others can enjoy freedom, I would do it, Don! But, you see... it doesn't matter what you say, or how simplified you try to make things, or even how much I wish I could go along with your lunacy, it doesn't change reality.

You and your liberal friends did everything you could to demonize Bush and discredit the war on terror. You managed to get Obama elected on the anti-war rhetoric and promise to bring home the troops... he's your guy, not mine.... and he has committed to sending another 17k troops to Afghanistan and 15k more to Iraq, so he basically lied to you. Don't be mad at me for that, it's not my fault. The fact of the matter is, that's reality.

Don, I can remember back when I was 13... I used to think... ya know, why can't the world live in peace? Why do we have to fight wars? It was so hard for me to comprehend... it seemed like, it was such a simple and easy thing... let's just not fight anymore! But here's where reality comes in, Don... we have to fight wars to secure freedom. If we don't fight, we lose freedom to tyrants. Now Don, maybe you in your simple mind, don't really appreciate freedom, maybe you don't really comprehend or grasp what it would be like to lose your freedoms and be oppressed by a tyrant... I don't know, but I know I want to keep mine, and I want others to have freedom as well.

 

[Don Quixote]

Here's the thing Don... you are stupid. Most of what you simplistically stated is not related to reality. You seem to be disconnected from the fact that a radical Islamic fundamentalist group declared war on us a long time ago, blew up our embassies and the USS Cole, killing numerous Americans in the process, before launching the worst act of aggression in history on US soil. Now, Don? What exactly would you like for us to have done? Nothing? Perhaps we could have baked cookies for them? To be honest, I don't think it would have done much good, Don... their mantra is "Death to the Infidel -- Death to the Jew!" What they are interested in is not peace, not prosperity, not better economic conditions.... they are interested in eliminating us and the Jews from the planet, so they can facilitate the emergence of the 12 Imam, and pave the way for the "second-coming" on their God, Allah. They believe they are mandated by their God to cut our heads off because we are heathen infidels who don't deserve to live. It's important you understand that, and not simply believe some anti-war liberal propaganda.

Don, I hate war. Believe it or not! Yes, I know that comes as a shock, because you've been told that us right wingers love war, and that's just not true. I hate it, and wish that our planet could exist without any wars ever! It would be a wonderful place indeed! But Don, that's not reality. That's not facing the facts, or comprehending things as they really are. If I could wave a magic wand and make things as simplified as you stated them, I would be happy to do that, Don! If I could bring back the millions of Americans who have given their lives so that others can enjoy freedom, I would do it, Don! But, you see... it doesn't matter what you say, or how simplified you try to make things, or even how much I wish I could go along with your lunacy, it doesn't change reality.

You and your liberal friends did everything you could to demonize Bush and discredit the war on terror. You managed to get Obama elected on the anti-war rhetoric and promise to bring home the troops... he's your guy, not mine.... and he has committed to sending another 17k troops to Afghanistan and 15k more to Iraq, so he basically lied to you. Don't be mad at me for that, it's not my fault. The fact of the matter is, that's reality.

Don, I can remember back when I was 13... I used to think... ya know, why can't the world live in peace? Why do we have to fight wars? It was so hard for me to comprehend... it seemed like, it was such a simple and easy thing... let's just not fight anymore! But here's where reality comes in, Don... we have to fight wars to secure freedom. If we don't fight, we lose freedom to tyrants. Now Don, maybe you in your simple mind, don't really appreciate freedom, maybe you don't really comprehend or grasp what it would be like to lose your freedoms and be oppressed by a tyrant... I don't know, but I know I want to keep mine, and I want others to have freedom as well.

i do not understand your response to my post

where did you get the idea that i only blamed bush?

you think that war is not an option? check out my post on killing people

my intent was to show that the war in iraq was not necessary while the war in afghanistan is and the resources committed to iraq belonged to the war in afghanistan

i have no desire to embrace tyrants and when possible, preferably with other nations contributing, depose them

check out this grim statistic - 13 killed in israel, about 3000 killed in gaza and over 300,000 killed in darfur...which would you call genocide