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TheDanold
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It's called fundraising, would you prefer to be forced to pay or be asked to pay voluntarily?
TheDanold
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My thoughts are that we should look to vouchers more.
Here is my own explanation and reasoning for why we do need vouchers:
The system works by granting a cheque to the parent of each child for say $4000 (remember it cost the government anywhere between $8000-$10000 dollars per child in the public education system). The parent then uses the cheque to choose or help choose the private school that they wish to send their child to.
Who benefits from this? Well, the child obviously first and foremost as the average child in a private school gets better grades and receives a higher income in later life. The parent benefits as they have choice and are not stuck with the same state controlled school, they also interact more directly with the school and teachers, rather than a huge bureaucracy. The teacher benefits because they have more freedom over what they teach and do not have the same frustrations that sap a public education system teacher's zest for teaching. Of course, all of us benefit too, because now it cost the government $4000 to educate their child rather than the ridiculous 8000-$10000 now needed.
Education Department figures show that the average private elementary school tuition in America is less than $2,500. The average tuition for all private schools, elementary and secondary, is $3,116, or less than half of the cost per pupil in the average public school, $6,857.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-025.html
There is one loser of course and that is the teachers union, they stand to lose a lot of control, and obviously the Democrats need those union donations too.
This voucher system has across the board support: Lieberman is in favor of it, most blacks polled are in favor of it, most Republicans are in favor of it.
Still, how can we argue against choice? We have choice in the houses we buy, what we want for dinner, what website we want to visit, can we not have choice in something so important as our child's education?
The final nail in the coffin for the Democrats on education is this: Where do the Kennedy kids go for their education system? How about Chelsea Clinton and most Dem lawmakers children? They all go to private schools while their parents keep pushing and defending the public schools to the rest of us. They are hypocritical and prove it by the choices for their own children.
It is time for choice in education, now. Push your rep for this.
Here is the best link for describing vouchers:
http://www.cato.org/research/education/vouchers.html
Here is my own explanation and reasoning for why we do need vouchers:
The system works by granting a cheque to the parent of each child for say $4000 (remember it cost the government anywhere between $8000-$10000 dollars per child in the public education system). The parent then uses the cheque to choose or help choose the private school that they wish to send their child to.
Who benefits from this? Well, the child obviously first and foremost as the average child in a private school gets better grades and receives a higher income in later life. The parent benefits as they have choice and are not stuck with the same state controlled school, they also interact more directly with the school and teachers, rather than a huge bureaucracy. The teacher benefits because they have more freedom over what they teach and do not have the same frustrations that sap a public education system teacher's zest for teaching. Of course, all of us benefit too, because now it cost the government $4000 to educate their child rather than the ridiculous 8000-$10000 now needed.
Education Department figures show that the average private elementary school tuition in America is less than $2,500. The average tuition for all private schools, elementary and secondary, is $3,116, or less than half of the cost per pupil in the average public school, $6,857.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-025.html
There is one loser of course and that is the teachers union, they stand to lose a lot of control, and obviously the Democrats need those union donations too.
This voucher system has across the board support: Lieberman is in favor of it, most blacks polled are in favor of it, most Republicans are in favor of it.
Still, how can we argue against choice? We have choice in the houses we buy, what we want for dinner, what website we want to visit, can we not have choice in something so important as our child's education?
The final nail in the coffin for the Democrats on education is this: Where do the Kennedy kids go for their education system? How about Chelsea Clinton and most Dem lawmakers children? They all go to private schools while their parents keep pushing and defending the public schools to the rest of us. They are hypocritical and prove it by the choices for their own children.
It is time for choice in education, now. Push your rep for this.
Here is the best link for describing vouchers:
http://www.cato.org/research/education/vouchers.html
Because we can't seem to figure out that more money doesn't fix the problem. Why, when we spend more per capita on our students do we have that?
I'd love to see a study done on the amount of Administrators as compared to when our education spent less per capita but was the envy of most of the planet.
I'd be willing to bet a steak dinner that there would be more than double the amount of "leadership" per capita to teacher than there was back when our schools were pWning the competition.
uscitizen
Villified User
Yep too many chiefs and not enough Indians....
Our local school system has the wisdom to close the 2 remaining small rural schools in my county and bus the kids to town and build a new school.
Those 2 schools are the best perforiming schools in the county....
Red county of course.
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FUCK THE POLICE
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New textbooks rarely hurt, IMHO.
It's only that modern textbooks are intelligence insulting.
It's only that modern textbooks are intelligence insulting.
the conservatives (especially the wealthy) hate public education
it is a threat to their offspring/dynasties
it is a threat to their offspring/dynasties
OrnotBitwise
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What's the point of wealth if you can't look down on someone who doesn't have it? It's all about winning, and to have winners, you must have losers.
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No we don't.
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Why would we, Top? Are you just talking out of your ass?
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Yeah?
So what?
We have 8 million milliionaires in a nation of more than 300 million. Proportions are important, you can't just give raw numbers. Take a class in economics, gerber.
Socrtease
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So if Private education SOOO much better than why haven't the Germans gone to all private schools. Why is it that at the highest level (Gymnasium) Their kids are everybit as well educated as ours?
My problem with vouchers and why I don't understand why Conservatives are so in favor of them is ..... Its welfare. Yes the government pays 8000 dollars per student but that money is taken from ALL of us in taxes and so the cost is spread to the point that NO ONE FAMILY EVER pays 8000 per child in their house in taxes that go directly to the schools. They don't pay 4k per child I bet when you look at what percentage of YOUR taxes actually go to your schools or public education in general it is less than 1000 per year, except for topper who is a millionaire.
The other reason vouchers won't work is there are lots of kids that live in Montana, and Wyoming and New Mexico and Colorado that live in towns that have one elementary, middle and high school. And they live in towns that are more than 100 miles from the next town. What private school are they going to go to? I bet if someone talked about vouchers for healthcare even for the same group that the SCHIP bill was designed to help you would scream your rightwing heads off
My problem with vouchers and why I don't understand why Conservatives are so in favor of them is ..... Its welfare. Yes the government pays 8000 dollars per student but that money is taken from ALL of us in taxes and so the cost is spread to the point that NO ONE FAMILY EVER pays 8000 per child in their house in taxes that go directly to the schools. They don't pay 4k per child I bet when you look at what percentage of YOUR taxes actually go to your schools or public education in general it is less than 1000 per year, except for topper who is a millionaire.
The other reason vouchers won't work is there are lots of kids that live in Montana, and Wyoming and New Mexico and Colorado that live in towns that have one elementary, middle and high school. And they live in towns that are more than 100 miles from the next town. What private school are they going to go to? I bet if someone talked about vouchers for healthcare even for the same group that the SCHIP bill was designed to help you would scream your rightwing heads off